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Old Yesterday, 23:13
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Maybe some of us don't really give a shit about people like this even if you do.
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Old Yesterday, 23:17
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Well let's see because as discussed earlier.. it will be interesting to discover if this car was actually surrounded and if instructions were given. Because I still feel those bullet holes suggest a car to car shooting took place. I accept I could be totally wrong and maybe the police were stood in the road guns drawn shouting "Armed police drop the weapon". But from the images i'm not so sure.
From the only reasonable picture I've seen, it looks like the shots were fired from directly in front of the vehicle. Once thing we know is that firearms officers do not shoot through their own front windscreens - period. There's a fair chance of killing/injuring either yourself or your driver if you were stupid enough to try this.
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Old Yesterday, 23:21
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Alleged drug dealer gets shot by police.

Nope, still fine with it.
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Old Yesterday, 23:25
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The son seems to have had some kind of legal claims company of which his father was secretary which was struck off in 2012. The lets must all be in the fathers own name as there is no other company with the father or son named as Director or Secretary unless they have it in someone elses name
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Papers said father had a car business
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Old Yesterday, 23:29
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How do you know this person wanted "to play gangsta & pull a gun on armed police"?
This case hasn't even been bought to trial yet, so no one even knows the facts.
I guess that's true. And I guess we'll also never know how many young, middle-aged and elderly people overdosed on the heroin and crack cocaine that he spuriously supplied throughout his short-lived life. My main regret is that he'll never have to answer for that.
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Old Yesterday, 23:31
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Papers said father had a car business
Companies House didn't throw that one up before, but just had a look and I doubt that is for the properties as the values etc do not sit with 100 properties with assets of only £1796, could be the car business but still very low but cannot see it being all his properties.
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Old Yesterday, 23:35
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Companies House didn't throw that one up before, but just had a look and I doubt that is for the properties as the values etc do not sit with 100 properties with assets of only £1796, could be the car business but still very low but cannot see it being all his properties.
That business started 2014 to current.

Buying selling used car business.
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Old Yesterday, 23:37
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That business started 2014 to current.
Yes and the total declared assets of the company is £1796 on last set of accounts. The previous company a legal claims frim was struck off in 2012

SB is the car company http://www.sbperformanceltd.co.uk/ with apparently no stock from the pages
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Old Yesterday, 23:38
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Yes and the total declared assets of the company is £1796 on last set of accounts. The previous company a legal claims frim was struck off in 2012

SB is the car company http://www.sbperformanceltd.co.uk/
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Earlier stories about his cars...Father said he had a car business, so relevant
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Old Yesterday, 23:43
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Yes and the total declared assets of the company is £1796 on last set of accounts. The previous company a legal claims frim was struck off in 2012

SB is the car company http://www.sbperformanceltd.co.uk/ with apparently no stock from the pages
Stuck off? Do you know what for?
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Old Yesterday, 23:45
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Earlier stories about his cars...Father said he had a car business, so relevant
I imagine all of the families finances will be under great scrutiny as part of the investigation.
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Old Yesterday, 23:50
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The family and friends seem to think he is some kind of angel but seem to forget someone shot his house last year
Oh, he probably was. Devoted family man, respected in the community. And the shooting? That's why there was a supressor fitted to the gun so the noise wouldn't disturb neighbours.. Such a considerate chap!

(hopefully the police will figure out how he came by that)
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Old Yesterday, 23:53
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I imagine all of the families finances will be under great scrutiny as part of the investigation.
I wonder?

I know that when his son,s cars were mentioned in papers, there was retaliation that father had a car business as if the luxury cars were from there rather than from any criminal activity.

But if the car company is worth less than £2000... Did the Lamborghini, Merc etc come from there?

The properties: Could one have not funded another?

Will they be seized if assets from his son,s "business"??

?????
We don't know IF he is under investigation.
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Old Yesterday, 23:59
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I don't have an issue with this man dying, I'm questioning if it was necessary?

I think I read somewhere, no body cams' and no CCTV.

I accept this operation was intelligence led, but why that spot, that slip road to bring it to it's conclusion, why?

To me it was a turkey shoot, a turkey shoot is an ambush, did a person have to die?
If he had a gun and appeared like he was going to use it, he took the chance and paid for it. Again, it's no more complicated than that - why should the police take the chance - maybe criminals "shoot to wound" and they should have found out?...

Why not that spot? Has to be done somewhere. Maybe they should try a courtesy phone call to say they're on their way and would he mind awfully not using the gun until they arrive?

If he didn't have a gun of course, different matter.
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Old Today, 00:01
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Oh, he probably was. Devoted family man, respected in the community. And the shooting? That's why there was a supressor fitted to the gun so the noise wouldn't disturb neighbours.. Such a considerate chap!

(hopefully the police will figure out how he came by that)
Side note, it's actually a bit of a myth that silencers actually silence a gun (hence "supressor" being a more accurate term, I suppose). Still pretty loud, just a bit less likely to ruin your hearing.
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Old Today, 00:01
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I think the problem in cases like this is the fact that public awareness of the detail is limited to a car being chased down by ordinary cars, boxed in, and a guy in the boxed in car was shot dead, whilst three others were arrested. We don't know whether the officers were plain clothes, shouted a warning, or whether the guy drew a gun or not.

That's literally the extent of our knowledge about the shooting.

Now whether right or wrong, inevitably, such a complete blank on information will cause considerable public speculation as to whether the shooting was justified or not - and we simply do not know. We don't have a clue eitherway.

I do know that for all their other considerable shortcomings, the US police are light years more open when a member of the public gets shot dead. That is very apparent from the threads on US cops shooting members of the public threads. Pretty obviously, footage is always available and always released to the public within a matter of hours.

Again, whether right or wrong, it is a fact in being.

I put the comparison out there as they are hard facts, and would re-iterate that inevitably a media blackout on detail will cause public speculation, whether the police like it or not.
very odd killing. unmarked cars, pre planned actrion, no body cams, on a slip road with no cctv, and the victim trapped in his car and shot at.

the family say its a pre-planned assassination. the gamble for the inherently racist west yorkshire police is that no one will mind much because the victim is muslim and the discredited ipcc does not in vast majority of cases act against the police.
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Old Today, 00:05
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If he had a gun and appeared like he was going to use it, he took the chance and paid for it. Again, it's no more complicated than that - why should the police take the chance - maybe criminals "shoot to wound" and they should have found out?...

Why not that spot? Has to be done somewhere. Maybe they should try a courtesy phone call to say they're on their way and would he mind awfully not using the gun until they arrive?

If he didn't have a gun of course, different matter.
so youve been blocked in by 3 or 4 cars after a car chase where youve had to have both hands on the steering wheel , now surrounded by cars that you know are the police - youre first thought would be to pull out a gun?
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Old Today, 00:07
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Stuck off? Do you know what for?
You can ask to be struck off yourself which it appears they did for some reason ask for Go Claims to be struck off , there is another company called Go Claim Ltd set up the year before them which is not connected but could be a reason why maybe conflict in names etc
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Old Today, 00:09
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very odd killing. unmarked cars, pre planned actrion, no body cams, on a slip road with no cctv, and the victim trapped in his car and shot at.

the family say its a pre-planned assassination. the gamble for the inherently racist west yorkshire police is that no one will mind much because the victim is muslim and the discredited ipcc does not in vast majority of cases act against the police.
Unmarked cars which will all have blues and twos fitted, we don't know if they used them but they have them . he was the only one in the car and one other is in court tomorrow over the semi automatic gun with ammunition
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Old Today, 00:15
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I wonder?

I know that when his son,s cars were mentioned in papers, there was retaliation that father had a car business as if the luxury cars were from there rather than from any criminal activity.

But if the car company is worth less than £2000...

The properties: Could one have not funded another?

Will they be seized if assets from his son,s "business"??

?????
We don't know IF he is under investigation.
They have to justify the shooting which as DP explained earlier might involve what they already knew of him to make a reasonable judgement that he presented a threat. He has no convictions that they can use but If he was involved in criminal activity - they can't try him but they should be able to find some evidence of it.

I assume (maybe incorrectly) that he lives with his parents but aside from that if he was also a business partner and the father has already said that he funded Yassers 'flash' lifestyle then how can his fathers finances not be under investigation? More to the point if he has nothing to hide he should be happy to volunteer everything.

If they find nothing so be it, but if they find something then yes, I would think they could and should seize any proceeds of crime.

It might even come out though that like many others the family have been boasting about how much they have but in reality have very little. Its not difficult to keep changing cars including high end when you're a car dealer is it?
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Old Today, 00:32
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They have to justify the shooting which as DP explained earlier might involve what they already knew of him to make a reasonable judgement that he presented a threat. He has no convictions that they can use but If he was involved in criminal activity - they can't try him but they should be able to find some evidence of it.

I assume (maybe incorrectly) that he lives with his parents but aside from that if he was also a business partner and the father has already said that he funded Yassers 'flash' lifestyle then how can his fathers finances not be under investigation? More to the point if he has nothing to hide he should be happy to volunteer everything.

If they find nothing so be it, but if they find something then yes, I would think they could and should seize any proceeds of crime.

It might even come out though that like many others the family have been boasting about how much they have but in reality have very little. Its not difficult to keep changing cars including high end when you're a car dealer is it?
This could take years to come to a conclusion.
In the meantime those who haven't been detained could flee abroad, possibly find ways to account for assets etc
I wonder what police seized (if anything) from the home?
If he was that much into business of selling drugs as media make out, he could have had large sums of cash lying about...Or would that be accounted as rent from father,s properties?

What a pickle
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Old Today, 00:33
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very odd killing. unmarked cars, pre planned actrion, no body cams, on a slip road with no cctv, and the victim trapped in his car and shot at.

the family say its a pre-planned assassination. the gamble for the inherently racist west yorkshire police is that no one will mind much because the victim is muslim and the discredited ipcc does not in vast majority of cases act against the police.
Why are you making this out to be racist?
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Old Today, 00:36
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Why are you making this out to be racist?
I agree with the first paragraph & racism dosent come into the equasion there.

Why not wear cameras in this sort of operation, especially after Yorkshire police have spent £2 million on them?

There would be nothing to answer then would there?
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Old Today, 00:38
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This could take years to come to a conclusion.
In the meantime those who haven't been detained could flee abroad, possibly find ways to account for assets etc
I wonder what police seized (if anything) from the home?
If he was that much into business of selling drugs as media make out, he could have had large sums of cash lying about...Or would that be accounted as rent from father,s properties?

What a pickle
Either way it'll take some explaining, I don't envy them.
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Old Today, 00:41
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One argument here is that the local MP stated that £2 million was spent by Yorkshire police for recording equipment & police had no recording device in their car, or on person at the time of this stop...
The same thing was asked in the Jermaine Baker case. If the operation was pre planned, why were they not using available recording equipment?

They are asking, why not?
This makes it difficult to know exactly what did happen at the time of the shooting.
AFOs dont tend to use use body cams because the technology isn't there quite yet. The met is trialling several solutions. The IPCC themselves have branded them useless.

Body-worn cameras issued to Met firearms officers have been condemned as “unfit for purpose” by the police watchdog.

The video cameras are mounted on the shoulders of marksmen but the watchdog found their view is obscured whenever an officer raises a rifle to his shoulder to aim or fire the weapon.

The Independent Police Complaints Commission recommended police seek an alternative camera mounting system.
Also, bodycams are not used with plain clothes officers for obvious reasons.
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