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But I am not a highly trained police marksman
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BBC reporting suspected firearm found. News just in so no more detail than that.
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Just to add some numbers to that:
In 2014/15, England and Wales armed police dealt with 14,666 incidents. Six bullets were fired. (Source: http://www.stokesentinel.co.uk/armed...ail/story.html - see towards bottom for the national stats) |
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Sounds like a dull job. Imagine training to be an expert in something and then never using that skill.
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It seems family and people who knew him are being slightly more restrained than we have seen in previous cases.
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It seems family and people who knew him are being slightly more restrained than we have seen in previous cases
http://www.examiner.co.uk/news/west-...earch-12400509 http://www.examiner.co.uk/news/west-...olice-12396431 Previously cleared of attempted murder involving guns after judge dismissed the case ( no assumptions being made link was on same page as above ) http://www.examiner.co.uk/news/west-...birkby-4998267 |
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Sounds like a dull job. Imagine training to be an expert in something and then never using that skill.
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You have to wonder why that earlier case was brought up. It sounds like he got away with attempted murder, and he may have done - who knows. But when you read the article its clear the judge felt he was being completely fitted up.
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I think that's the trouble with a lot of people who blame the police for these types of killings.
They haven't been there under the pressure where decisions can be split second between life or death for you, your team members and the general public. I certainly haven't. I know several now former police officers who when confronted with violent, drunken or drugged up people have had to take decisions on what to do with either just one other officer or alone. Things become heated very quickly and they know one wrong move can escalate the situation out of control, especially when completely out numbered. Thank they seem to have made the right calls at the right times and escaped relatively unharmed. What seems to come across from some of the posters is there lack of awareness, of the intelligence and planning before these operations takes place. I cannot imagine for one second that the officer that fired is now having a jolly old time at the pub, or having a pleasant snooze on the sofa. |
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Sounds like a dull job. Imagine training to be an expert in something and then never using that skill.
![]() They're police officers. |
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Totally agree. It is known throughout the world we have the best trained police officers, and also the rest of our other forces.
What seems to come across from some of the posters is there lack of awareness, of the intelligence and planning before these operations takes place. I cannot imagine for one second that the officer that fired is now having a jolly old time at the pub, or having a pleasant snooze on the sofa. Are you aware of the attitude and refusal to co-operate of the "highly trained police marksmen following the shooting dead of Mark Duggan who was unarmed (that was the decision of the inquest jury, who also gave the extraordinary verdict of "lawful killing" An incident which completely changed my attitude to police marksmen |
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Not sure I would read that as a Judge saying he was being fitted up , I read it as a Judge saying with that witness despite picking him out of an ID parade based on the rest of his testimony he was unreliable and therefore you could not guarantee a safe conviction
The judge stressed that the case was an identification one and there was a need for special caution. He said: “I regard his evidence as being dangerous and it cannot safely, in my view, be left to the jury even if there is some evidence capable of supporting his identification.” Before discharging the jury, Judge Marson told them that there would be no case against Yaqub without the evidence of Mr Hussain and courts had to treat such cases with very great care. The judge told the jury: “Having assessed the evidence I have come to the view that it is so dangerous that no jury properly directed could safely convict this man on these serious charges and I hope you understand why I have come to that view.” I see his comments as quite damning of the witness. Very little if any of his testimony proved accurate and you have to wonder how it even got to court. |
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Are you aware of the attitude and refusal to co-operate of the "highly trained police marksmen following the shooting dead of Mark Duggan who was unarmed (that was the decision of the inquest jury, who also gave the extraordinary verdict of "lawful killing"
An incident which completely changed my attitude to police marksmen |
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Are you aware of the attitude and refusal to co-operate of the "highly trained police marksmen following the shooting dead of Mark Duggan who was unarmed (that was the decision of the inquest jury, who also gave the extraordinary verdict of "lawful killing"
An incident which completely changed my attitude to police marksmen |
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I take little notice of what is written in newspapers, they rarely write or have the full story. Maybe if you knew what our police officers have to deal with on a day to day basis, and had a little more faith your attitude would change.
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After hearing arguments from counsel, Judge Marson ruled Mr Hussain was one of the least compelling witnesses that he had seen in 35 years.
The judge stressed that the case was an identification one and there was a need for special caution. He said: “I regard his evidence as being dangerous and it cannot safely, in my view, be left to the jury even if there is some evidence capable of supporting his identification.” Before discharging the jury, Judge Marson told them that there would be no case against Yaqub without the evidence of Mr Hussain and courts had to treat such cases with very great care. The judge told the jury: “Having assessed the evidence I have come to the view that it is so dangerous that no jury properly directed could safely convict this man on these serious charges and I hope you understand why I have come to that view.” I see his comments as quite damning of the witness. Very little if any of his testimony proved accurate and you have to wonder how it even got to court. |
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Are you aware of the attitude and refusal to co-operate of the "highly trained police marksmen following the shooting dead of Mark Duggan who was unarmed (that was the decision of the inquest jury, who also gave the extraordinary verdict of "lawful killing"
An incident which completely changed my attitude to police marksmen |
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Unfortunately the enquiry, the inaccuracies that came to light and the IPCC comments did little for their credibility.
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Which is exactly what skp20040 was saying. The judge just said that the key witness was highly unreliable. That's a long way off being 'fitted up'.
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I don't see what this has to do with movies
These are supposedly highly trained marksmen and I would have thought it possible for them to shoot accurately to disarm and disable That means firing at the body mass, not trying to be Clint Eastwood, and shooting through a soft part of a leg or arm, which wouldn't mean they were stopped. |
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That was written in the newspapers.
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Are you aware of the attitude and refusal to co-operate of the "highly trained police marksmen following the shooting dead of Mark Duggan who was unarmed (that was the decision of the inquest jury, who also gave the extraordinary verdict of "lawful killing"
An incident which completely changed my attitude to police marksmen |
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What do think he meant by detailing his 'inaccuracies' and using the word dangerous?
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Are you aware of the attitude and refusal to co-operate of the "highly trained police marksmen following the shooting dead of Mark Duggan who was unarmed (that was the decision of the inquest jury, who also gave the extraordinary verdict of "lawful killing"
An incident which completely changed my attitude to police marksmen Not. |
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How do you know this man was armed?
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