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Old 03-01-2017, 22:19
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I do not accept the explanations, I do not swallow the police spin and pr
Oh great a police hater. The guy had a gun has form for using one prior,he got what he deserved.
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Old 03-01-2017, 22:22
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Well you could try and give me some of yours which you clearly believe you have
Explain to me how a farmer who has no basic training other than practice can shoot a rabbit, or those who shoot game for fun can hit a pheasant, both at some sdistance, yet a highly trained police marksman can not hit to disable or disarm
From my limited (unfortunate) experience when shooting rabbits and game it's done at a distance when the target has no idea you're there. They certainly have no weapons to return fire and you can plan the shot with great accuracy.

Not in a split second with innocent members of the public within range.

I'm sure snipers work exactly the same way and could no doubt kill two or three people before victims really started running.

I should add I've never shot an animal but seen farmers do it when younger.
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Old 03-01-2017, 22:23
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It shouldn't draw comparisons, because no one knows any details.

It's nice that it hasn't initiated riots though.
The protesters are out in Bradford tonight. Riot police are out and traffic is disrupted on the ring road. Here we go again.
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Old 03-01-2017, 22:24
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Baffled once again as to why anyone would draw a firearm on armed police. Unless the guy didn't know they were police and thought it was someone attempting to kill him. That's possible with an unmarked car? Judging by how many CCTV cameras he had fitted to his house he does appear to have considered himself at risk. Not excusing anything btw. Just trying to understand.
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Old 03-01-2017, 22:25
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Well you could try and give me some of yours which you clearly believe you have
Explain to me how a farmer who has no basic training other than practice can shoot a rabbit, or those who shoot game for fun can hit a pheasant, both at some sdistance, yet a highly trained police marksman can not hit to disable or disarm
You are seriously comparing shooting rabbits with police marksmen?
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Old 03-01-2017, 22:27
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I do not accept the explanations, I do not swallow the police spin and pr
Posters who have no connection with the police have tried to explain to you. Nothing to do with spin.
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Old 03-01-2017, 22:28
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Baffled once again as to why anyone would draw a firearm on armed police. Unless the guy didn't know they were police and thought it was someone attempting to kill him. That's possible with an unmarked car?
We don't know yet that he did personally , but if he did then a bloody stupid person who should know better. The minute you go on the streets with a gun or knife then to my mind you have taken a conscious decision to make yourself a legitimate target if only for the safety of others.
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Old 03-01-2017, 22:29
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So you will basically not accept real life but prefer to believe Hollywood film scripts is what it boils down to.
In real life people are killed needlessly by both criminals and police. If thats the problem, not shooting to kill is the solution. I don't see why people (not just directed at you) think its so strange to suggest it.
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Old 03-01-2017, 22:30
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We don't know yet that he did , but if he did then a bloody stupid person who should know better. The minute you go on the streets with a gun or knife then to my mind you have taken a conscious decision to make yourself a legitimate target if only for the safety of others.
Oh sure but I would hope you have to raise a gun or show signs of reaching for a gun before you're shot dead. Which is the bit I can't ever understand with an armed police stop. Unless he didn't know they were police. Do they wear uniforms? The car was unmarked.
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Old 03-01-2017, 22:31
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Well you could try and give me some of yours which you clearly believe you have
Explain to me how a farmer who has no basic training other than practice can shoot a rabbit, or those who shoot game for fun can hit a pheasant, both at some sdistance, yet a highly trained police marksman can not hit to disable or disarm
It probably takes as many hours practice to shoot game effectively as it does to become a police marksman. You seem to have no grasp of the fact that a criminal with a gun is quite likely to KILL you if you do not kill him first. I don't want to distress you too much but it is usual to fire two body shots to make sure if there is any likelihood of fire being returned.

The Iranian Embassy siege was a masterclass where every terrorist bar one was shot dead without injury to the hostages. All things considered the police shoot a very small number of all the armed criminal out there.
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Old 03-01-2017, 22:31
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Baffled once again as to why anyone would draw a firearm on armed police. Unless the guy didn't know they were police and thought it was someone attempting to kill him. That's possible with an unmarked car? Judging by how many CCTV cameras he had fitted to his house he does appear to have considered himself at risk. Not excusing anything btw. Just trying to understand.
Has it been reported anywhere that he drew the weapon?
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Old 03-01-2017, 22:35
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Would it?

Do you think they are perfect then? No mistakes, not errors of judgement, no 'bad apples'? Completely different to the rest of us human beings?
oh please
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Old 03-01-2017, 22:36
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Explain to me how a farmer who has no basic training other than practice can shoot a rabbit, or those who shoot game for fun can hit a pheasant, both at some sdistance, yet a highly trained police marksman can not hit to disable or disarm
When the decision is made to discharge a firearm, the time for taking a risk and aiming for an arm or leg has passed. These targets are very, very difficult to hit and the chances of stopping the person are almost nil. Marksmen are trained to aim at the biggest blob, and that is the body, because the chances of actually hitting it are increased. Use your noggin.
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Old 03-01-2017, 22:39
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Was it too difficult a question for you?
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Old 03-01-2017, 22:42
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An officer was arrested under caution after the Jermaine Baker killing.
Jermaine Baker was found to be unarmed. At a meeting the IPCC said they were unable to say whether Jermaine Baker was asleep or not at the time he was shot. They also said Jermaine wasn't on any police lists as a gang member, which the police/press initially led the public to believe.
There were no recordings or cctv...
Don't remember that or see much recent infor on it. Hopefully we get more detail because it doesn't sound good from the articles.
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Old 03-01-2017, 22:43
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Well you could try and give me some of yours which you clearly believe you have
Explain to me how a farmer who has no basic training other than practice can shoot a rabbit, or those who shoot game for fun can hit a pheasant, both at some sdistance, yet a highly trained police marksman can not hit to disable or disarm
Are you aware of the difference between shotguns and rifles, and the way their respective ammo works?
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Old 03-01-2017, 22:44
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Was it too difficult a question for you?
It was a bit of a silly comment, in fairness. Nobody thinks the police are perfect, at least there's no evidence of that on this thread. The police make mistakes like everyone else. But one copper making a mistake doesn't mean the entire force is inept or corrupt.
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Old 03-01-2017, 22:49
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Everyone will have been told to leave things where they were to preserve the scene ready for forensics and the IPCC if the keys were there than that is where they would stay, simple as that no other reasons.
Or... as all the officers would need to report for interview, the keys relate to a safe place to leave them
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Old 03-01-2017, 22:55
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It was a bit of a silly comment, in fairness. Nobody thinks the police are perfect, at least there's no evidence of that on this thread. The police make mistakes like everyone else. But one copper making a mistake doesn't mean the entire force is inept or corrupt.
In fairness Jane, it wasn't a silly comment. It was a tactful way of challenging the unquestioning loyalty to a service which is supposed to protect us, not kill us.

What is silly, and worrying is the notion that we shouldn't question, have an opinion on or expect our force to have to consider and be held accountable for their actions.
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Old 03-01-2017, 23:02
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In fairness Jane, it wasn't a silly comment. It was a tactful way of challenging the unquestioning loyalty to a service which is supposed to protect us, not kill us.

What is silly, and worrying is the notion that we shouldn't question, have an opinion on or expect our force to have to consider and be held accountable for their actions. Our countries rulers don't get that privilege.
Our police force don't kill us, as a rule. They kill someone very rarely and there is always an investigation. Nobody was suggesting the police are perfect, hence my calling the comment silly.

Our police force are held accountable for their actions.
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Old 03-01-2017, 23:02
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Are you aware of the attitude and refusal to co-operate of the "highly trained police marksmen following the shooting dead of Mark Duggan who was unarmed (that was the decision of the inquest jury, who also gave the extraordinary verdict of "lawful killing"
An incident which completely changed my attitude to police marksmen
Oh you mean the other incident involving a thug who had a gun in his car for no reason. Do you really think the majority of people were full of concern for him?
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Old 03-01-2017, 23:04
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Or... as all the officers would need to report for interview, the keys relate to a safe place to leave them
Maybe all police officers "swing"?
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Old 03-01-2017, 23:08
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Our police force don't kill us, as a rule. They kill someone very rarely and there is always an investigation. Nobody was suggesting the police are perfect, hence my calling the comment silly.

Our police force are held accountable for their actions.
Careful, that sort of opinion is known in these parts as an 'attitude'.
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Old 03-01-2017, 23:09
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Careful, that sort of opinion is know in these parts as an 'attitude'.
That sort of opinion? Attitude?

Really?
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Old 03-01-2017, 23:16
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Oh sure but I would hope you have to raise a gun or show signs of reaching for a gun before you're shot dead. Which is the bit I can't ever understand with an armed police stop. Unless he didn't know they were police. Do they wear uniforms? The car was unmarked.
They performed a TPAC movement which is done when a vehicle refuses to stop. Even unmarked cars have flashing blue lights. He would know they were police no question.
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