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I do not accept the explanations, I do not swallow the police spin and pr
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Well you could try and give me some of yours which you clearly believe you have
Explain to me how a farmer who has no basic training other than practice can shoot a rabbit, or those who shoot game for fun can hit a pheasant, both at some sdistance, yet a highly trained police marksman can not hit to disable or disarm Not in a split second with innocent members of the public within range. I'm sure snipers work exactly the same way and could no doubt kill two or three people before victims really started running. I should add I've never shot an animal but seen farmers do it when younger. |
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It shouldn't draw comparisons, because no one knows any details.
It's nice that it hasn't initiated riots though. |
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Baffled once again as to why anyone would draw a firearm on armed police. Unless the guy didn't know they were police and thought it was someone attempting to kill him. That's possible with an unmarked car? Judging by how many CCTV cameras he had fitted to his house he does appear to have considered himself at risk. Not excusing anything btw. Just trying to understand.
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Well you could try and give me some of yours which you clearly believe you have
Explain to me how a farmer who has no basic training other than practice can shoot a rabbit, or those who shoot game for fun can hit a pheasant, both at some sdistance, yet a highly trained police marksman can not hit to disable or disarm
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I do not accept the explanations, I do not swallow the police spin and pr
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Baffled once again as to why anyone would draw a firearm on armed police. Unless the guy didn't know they were police and thought it was someone attempting to kill him. That's possible with an unmarked car?
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So you will basically not accept real life but prefer to believe Hollywood film scripts is what it boils down to.
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We don't know yet that he did , but if he did then a bloody stupid person who should know better. The minute you go on the streets with a gun or knife then to my mind you have taken a conscious decision to make yourself a legitimate target if only for the safety of others.
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Well you could try and give me some of yours which you clearly believe you have
Explain to me how a farmer who has no basic training other than practice can shoot a rabbit, or those who shoot game for fun can hit a pheasant, both at some sdistance, yet a highly trained police marksman can not hit to disable or disarm The Iranian Embassy siege was a masterclass where every terrorist bar one was shot dead without injury to the hostages. All things considered the police shoot a very small number of all the armed criminal out there. |
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Baffled once again as to why anyone would draw a firearm on armed police. Unless the guy didn't know they were police and thought it was someone attempting to kill him. That's possible with an unmarked car? Judging by how many CCTV cameras he had fitted to his house he does appear to have considered himself at risk. Not excusing anything btw. Just trying to understand.
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Would it?
Do you think they are perfect then? No mistakes, not errors of judgement, no 'bad apples'? Completely different to the rest of us human beings? |
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Explain to me how a farmer who has no basic training other than practice can shoot a rabbit, or those who shoot game for fun can hit a pheasant, both at some sdistance, yet a highly trained police marksman can not hit to disable or disarm
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oh please
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An officer was arrested under caution after the Jermaine Baker killing.
Jermaine Baker was found to be unarmed. At a meeting the IPCC said they were unable to say whether Jermaine Baker was asleep or not at the time he was shot. They also said Jermaine wasn't on any police lists as a gang member, which the police/press initially led the public to believe. There were no recordings or cctv... |
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Well you could try and give me some of yours which you clearly believe you have
Explain to me how a farmer who has no basic training other than practice can shoot a rabbit, or those who shoot game for fun can hit a pheasant, both at some sdistance, yet a highly trained police marksman can not hit to disable or disarm |
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Was it too difficult a question for you?
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Everyone will have been told to leave things where they were to preserve the scene ready for forensics and the IPCC if the keys were there than that is where they would stay, simple as that no other reasons.
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It was a bit of a silly comment, in fairness. Nobody thinks the police are perfect, at least there's no evidence of that on this thread. The police make mistakes like everyone else. But one copper making a mistake doesn't mean the entire force is inept or corrupt.
What is silly, and worrying is the notion that we shouldn't question, have an opinion on or expect our force to have to consider and be held accountable for their actions. |
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In fairness Jane, it wasn't a silly comment. It was a tactful way of challenging the unquestioning loyalty to a service which is supposed to protect us, not kill us.
What is silly, and worrying is the notion that we shouldn't question, have an opinion on or expect our force to have to consider and be held accountable for their actions. Our countries rulers don't get that privilege. Our police force are held accountable for their actions. |
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Are you aware of the attitude and refusal to co-operate of the "highly trained police marksmen following the shooting dead of Mark Duggan who was unarmed (that was the decision of the inquest jury, who also gave the extraordinary verdict of "lawful killing"
An incident which completely changed my attitude to police marksmen |
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Or... as all the officers would need to report for interview, the keys relate to a safe place to leave them
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Our police force don't kill us, as a rule. They kill someone very rarely and there is always an investigation. Nobody was suggesting the police are perfect, hence my calling the comment silly.
Our police force are held accountable for their actions. |
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Careful, that sort of opinion is know in these parts as an 'attitude'.
Really? |
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Oh sure but I would hope you have to raise a gun or show signs of reaching for a gun before you're shot dead. Which is the bit I can't ever understand with an armed police stop. Unless he didn't know they were police. Do they wear uniforms? The car was unmarked.
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