Why is 'it's gonna kick off' seen as a good thing?

Is this all that people want now? I for one loathe arguments and shouting and negativity

lol you're kicking off

it's not I'm bored of constant arguments, I don't want it to kick off this isn't football

Big Brother won't be happy till someone is brutally murdered in the house

The jungle was a pleasure to watch last year, with them all getting along and having fun.

Indeed

I find it funny that Channel 5 always push for this crap. Every time things get a bit heated, they panic and start calling HM's to the diary room.

I like some drama to keep it interesting but not so much it becomes depressing. Big brother needs to find that balance.

Emma said something about looking forward to the clashes starting and then later to another new housemate "we like HMs to get on, we like nice don't we?" .
Quite seriously.
I agree.
The Americans come over with the intention of being deliberately argumentarive because they think that is what is wanted.
Wrong, it is fake, for effect and to try to attract a certain type of viewer.
I want real people, behaving as themselves. Preferably British and someone we recognise.

Arguments are good if they occur naturally, but when it's over manipulated it gets annoying. And arguments aren't the only thing that make the show watchable, Channel 5 need to remember that more.

No they don't! The Americans are usually the friendly ones and have to battle the institutionalised british xenophobia!! Just look at your post!!

I have no problem with it kicking off. It can be a good thing....if it happens naturally.
But when you expect it to happen, and want it to happen, or even try to make it happen, it just doesn't work because it hasn't come naturally and your expectation for it to happen is bound to disappoint you more than if something just happened unexpected out of the blue.

As soon as you will something to happen and try to shape things in such a way to make it happen, it just doesn't count. It's not the same.
If Emma says that she's looking forward to the clashes, that immediately spoils it. If you will a reality show to travel in a certain direction you immediately corrupt the nature of what it is.

Agreed.

As mentioned in the IAC thread GBBO and SCD get huge audiences and they never have the level of tension among the contestants that we've seen in CBB/BB in recent years.

I think the problem for me is that I don't mind it when people genuinely rub each other up the wrong way but, CBB/BB manipulate the tension to the point where I find it uncomfortable to watch.

The show would be so much better without BOTS.

I don't get why people don't want drama. If they just wanted to observe people having a friendly amicable chat for a month then maybe pop round to a friends house and leave the telly off?

If it's engineered then it doesn't count.

No one says they don't want drama, it's just so much better when it's natural and not overly manipulated.

I agree with that. There's too much interference. At times it seems as if they use tricks to compensate for poor recruitment. Often think they put too many in, especially for the celebrity series.

I also think that if they left people alone, anyone, then things would develop which made it more likely for people to fall out.
Because when the housemates are aware of BB trying to manipulate them to do something, they either go through the motions and do what they think they're expected to do, or simply don't because they feel being pressured to do something.

Either way it doesn't quite work, because housemates will develop a mindset where they just wait for BB to tell them to do the next thing.
I don't necessarily mean literally tell them, I mean by moving them around, setting tasks which have clear aims to instigate some relationship, and just generally interfering so that the housemates don't have to use their own imaginations.
Basically they end up waiting around for their next 'orders'.

The trouble with 'drama' as they call it when it all kicks off, is you can't hear what any of them say. They all yell at each other, we hear a wall of noise and can't figure out what anyone thinks or stands for or where they stand relative to the issue; if indeed we can hear what the issue is.

People shouting at each other isn't really very interesting, not because of the confrontation but because of the lack of detailed information in it conveys. So the drama is one dimensional. All we get is anger and that isn't the same thing as drama. Drama is complex and subtle and often quiet.

However what is interesting is that I have been watching the forum tonight and I am struck by how many single post threads there are and how few threads have gone beyond a dozen or so posts. It is like we FMs are doing much what HMs seem to do and simply have our say, yelling our point of view into the ether, irrespective of anyone listening or not and without listemning or responding to the comments of others.

Maybe life is imiatating 'art'? Or maybe the consequence of the social media age is the death of any desire for conversation and debate.

It was the most boring series I've ever seen. Nothing eventful happened whatsoever. I see were ur coming from but I think there at least needs to be a balance. Theres no balance in either of these shows but I'd take BB's vibe any day over a snore-fest. Last series was certainly antagonistic but it had talking points. Can you honestly say that about IMAC?

Yes, it was proof that you can have a reality TV series in today's world that has people that get on and enjoy themselves, and it can still be a successful series. IIRC, its ratings were up on last year's, which had so many arguments and nastiness.

It's already kicked off - long, tedious argument between Heidi and Stacey in the live feed.

Yes, and I think the ratings for IAC prove that it was a winning formula. C5 would sell their grandmother to have those kind of ratings and the revenue it generates.

Let's not forget that BB is the show where all the others got their ideas from but, instead of letting it evolve naturally the TPTB interfered to the point where few people believe in what we're being shown. A few twists are ok but, the blatant manipulation to force a situation is tedious. The memorable moments in most series are usually those that occur naturally and not through some convoluted twist.

I don't normally like/watch BOTS but tuned in because I was waiting for the LF and was pleasantly surprised by the MIC guy. I had never seen him before but, it was refreshing to listen to someone give their own opinion and not tow the party line.

Sadly because of the way the show has developed over the years, instead of looking at how individuals interact in a confined environment, most of us are looking to see who C5 are engineering to win.

Yes, indeed it was!


Absolutely - balance is the key.


Absolutely - except perhaps those brought in because they are known for being antagonistic, such as Speidi, but that could also be said about James Jordan. It's not exclusive to Americans.


Yes, I agree with you - clashes that happen organically is not what anybody is complaining about, it's the manipulation to create 'drama' - possibly induced by the blood lust of so many viewers these days - is what some of us object to. Drama occurs naturally enough in most cases anyway if people are left to their own devices, especially when living in an enclosed space with 14 other strangers!


Well put.