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Old Yesterday, 14:54
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Let's see what L. Ron Hubbard's great-grandson has to say (to a musical accompaniment.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciupsqkLLkQ
I've had the pleasure of meeting Jamie, he's a very talented performer and film maker who also does a lot of work with young people to encourage them into the arts. This is another great piece of his.

http://jamiedewolf.com/performer/the...n-the-hallway/
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She said that Scientologists have helped millions of people throughout the world...does anyone know anybody helped by this cult...I mean proper help...not the join us we have all the answers kind? I've read a lot about it lately, out of curiosity, not interest in joining..as if! All they do as far as I ascertain is charge people a fortune to reveal their secrets...and buy up property by the mile.
Scientology does not support charity and teaches that giving anything without something in return is out-ethics. It's why children are forced to do heavy labour and work long hours. Yes, even in the UK and yes complaints have been made to authorities and ignored.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/archives/re...ood-of-misery/

The 'church' does run volunteer schemes for drug education but fails to mention that prescription medications are viewed the same as illegal narcotics. It's also a way to get volunteers into schools and introduce children to the teachings of Hubbard.

Another example of the cult's charitable work is how 'volunteer ministers' were out and about in the wake of the 7/7 bombings in London. They were providing help by urging people to stay away from counselling services and to sign up for Scientology courses instead.
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The 'church' does run volunteer schemes for drug education but fails to mention that prescription medications are viewed the same as illegal narcotics. It's also a way to get volunteers into schools and introduce children to the teachings of Hubbard.
Aah, BB13 Adam Kelly's infamous school tour. I lost all respect for him after that.
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Wow. BB have pushed the boundaries way past what they should have already multiple times (imho) but now they book a Scientologist?

She said that Scientologists have helped millions of people throughout the world...does anyone know anybody helped by this cult...
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From the documentaries I've seen they're all locked up in compounds.

I've had the pleasure of meeting Jamie, he's a very talented performer and film maker who also does a lot of work with young people to encourage them into the arts. This is another great piece of his.

http://jamiedewolf.com/performer/the...n-the-hallway/
Looking at his tattoos I'm almost as suspicious of him as his great-grandfather. I'll bet he's onto a nice little earner with his own 'schtick'. I'll have to look at him a bit closer, but those blatant tattoos are not a great first impression to say the least.

<edit> Only on my second vid and he seems dodgy as. Not suggesting he's anything like him but it's the same vibe as when Savile used to joke about paedophile rumours/smuggling children into the Palace/etc in TV interviews and the audience had a hearty laugh.
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Not fascinated by a cult, but by the people it attracts. From a psychological perspective.

Bring back live feed!
It may be fascinating to some, but it is not something I want in (C)BB. Live feed would make it worse.

Similarly, I don't want neo-Nazi racists in the show, even though some might find them psychologically interesting.

Aah, BB13 Adam Kelly's infamous school tour. I lost all respect for him after that.
Is / was Adam a Scientologist too?
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Wow. BB have pushed the boundaries way past what they should have already multiple times (imho) but now they book a Scientologist?



From the documentaries I've seen they're all locked up in compounds.



Looking at his tattoos I'm almost as suspicious of him as his great-grandfather. I'll bet he's onto a nice little earner with his own 'schtick'. I'll have to look at him a bit closer, but those blatant tattoos are not a great first impression to say the least.

<edit> Only on my second vid and he seems dodgy as. Not suggesting he's anything like him but it's the same vibe as when Savile used to joke about paedophile rumours/smuggling children into the Palace/etc in TV interviews and the audience had a hearty laugh.
He's really not and took the decision to speak out in public even though it has put him at risk, his Scientology tattoo is meant ironically and he was never a member.

L Ron Hubbard's immediate family members suffered a lot because of Scientology and Jamie is aware of the worst Scientology can do. Most of his work has nothing to do with the cult.
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It may be fascinating to some, but it is not something I want in (C)BB. Live feed would make it worse.

Similarly, I don't want neo-Nazi racists in the show, even though some might find them psychologically interesting.



Is / was Adam a Scientologist too?
Old thread I posted at the time.

http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?t=1821070

I would say it's unlikely that he continues to work openly with the 'church' without being an adherent.

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-relea...300183964.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzCBxg87HiQ
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Old Yesterday, 16:53
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He's really not and took the decision to speak out in public even though it has put him at risk, his Scientology tattoo is meant ironically and he was never a member.

L Ron Hubbard's immediate family members suffered a lot because of Scientology and Jamie is aware of the worst Scientology can do. Most of his work has nothing to do with the cult.
I get your second paragraph, but not the first. I have major alarm bells with this guy (unlike his grandfather from what I've seen) and it's not just the tattoos (and it's not just the one you reference).

'Hidden in plain site' is a major element of The Game these folk play. They need to show us, for us to laugh along with them, when actually they're laughing in glee AT us, because by not challenging them our consent is assumed.

Only the second video of this guy I watched, but certainly the last. He's saying to supposed anti-Scientologists how much he respects and admires L. Ron 'for someone who is that parasitic of human souls', 'get the money, the power and the pussy', for swindling so many people, and for swanning round on his yacht 'with little messenger girls in hotpants'. Oh what a laugh they have with that

He makes my skin crawl, and that was from the first vid before I'd even seen his tattoos. This is the one I've just been talking about:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbPzvaSDodU
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Old Yesterday, 18:04
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This is a last straw for me. I'm not watching a CBB with someone like that in it.
I am not joking.

Cruise & Co are playing a part which sufficiently submerges their scientology (except in that Travolta film based on L Ron's SF, which I did avoid).



That's a good point. Thinking back, I haven't watched a Cruise film since ... it's so long ago I can't remember; and the last Travolta I saw was probably Jackie Brown which was like 1997.
I absolutely admire your stance on this. I would watch Battlefield Earth as research (without paying money for it) because I'm interested and these people need to be exposed, but I would not watch a BB that was paying a Scientologist (who is also connected to the Nation of Islam and supposedly a Christian - eh?!!) to appear and (quite possibly) to normalise a super dangerous cult

I know that it's not exactly the same thing but the ccreepy cryptogenics organisation in Vanilla Sky reminded me of a new age cult with similar propaganda as Scientology. Eyes Wide Shut also alluded to a Sex cult, but they seemed more similar to the freemasons.
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Vanilla Sky was my last Cruise film too (I knew about him by then as my best friend's sister worked on a film with him as his make-up artist, and the young visitor(s) to his trailer of a certain sex were completely open on set). Horrible, disturbing film. I innocently took a nice girl to see it, I think it was the last time I saw her

I'm the first one to call out the dubious 'activities' of high level Freemasons (I'm currently avoiding the Doctor Who forum, as me pointing out that the writer is one imo has 'not gone down too well' with one or two members lol ). All regular/lower level Masons I know seem fine (though I think it's wrong that they don't need to worry about being stopped for speeding or being breathalysed etc). Anyway, it wasn't the Masons in Eyes Wide Shut's orgy/sacrifice scenes, it was a high society cult/religion like the OTO etc. Being a Mason doesn't preclude you from being a member of multiple cults/religions though, and from my research the higher up you go the more they are connected to quite a few of them.

Anyone remember Kate Middleton's best friend's high class orgy company Killing Kittens? Nice name...
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Old Yesterday, 18:56
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I get your second paragraph, but not the first. I have major alarm bells with this guy (unlike his grandfather from what I've seen) and it's not just the tattoos (and it's not just the one you reference).

'Hidden in plain site' is a major element of The Game these folk play. They need to show us, for us to laugh along with them, when actually they're laughing in glee AT us, because by not challenging them our consent is assumed.

Only the second video of this guy I watched, but certainly the last. He's saying to supposed anti-Scientologists how much he respects and admires L. Ron 'for someone who is that parasitic of human souls', 'get the money, the power and the pussy', for swindling so many people, and for swanning round on his yacht 'with little messenger girls in hotpants'. Oh what a laugh they have with that

He makes my skin crawl, and that was from the first vid before I'd even seen his tattoos. This is the one I've just been talking about:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbPzvaSDodU
He is talking to Anonymous there though and it's kind of difficult to explain our ways and humour to someone not familiar with us.

It's dark humour because, as I said, Hubbard's family suffered at his hands as much as others did.
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Old Yesterday, 19:01
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Scientology is not a cult
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Old Yesterday, 19:47
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Goodness knows what she'll come out with if they gather in the seated area and start talking about things. I can imagine eyebrows being raised as housemates sneak looks at each other.
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Old Yesterday, 19:52
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It's a notoriously letigious church isn't it? I'd imagine if it is getting brought up in there at all, we'll never see the footage.
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Old Yesterday, 20:11
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We do not protest against a religion or beliefs, we protest the abuses. We protest against children being used as forced labour, sexual abuse being covered up, women being forced to have abortions, people dying in horrific ways because of quack medical techniques, families being torn apart because of disconnection policies and people being stalked, harassed, threatened and intimidated because they dared to openly criticise this so-called Church.

I see a poster advertising Stacy doing a free concert at the Fort Harrison Hotel and think of Lisa McPherson who was held in room 174 until she died of dehydration and how the autopsy photographs show she was eaten by insects while she was still alive in there.

As for Stacy's standard story that she's a struggling single parent, it was all debunked when she appeared on X-Factor. Her last ex-husband is a wealthy dentist and poor people don't belong to the Church of Scientology where every single course has to be paid in advance and auditing costs 800 dollars an hour.
Wow, unbelievable and terrifying, I feel somewhat sorry for these brainwashed low level members, I wonder if she will talk about it and how housemates will react.
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she's at home then being surrounded by those stars in there
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Old Yesterday, 22:53
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Scientology is not a cult
How is it not a cult?
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How is it not a cult?
Perhaps what he or she is saying is that Scientology is a bona fide religion, whereas the term 'cult' is just a pejorative. Scientology isn't actually a cult.
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Perhaps what he or she is saying is that Scientology is a bona fide religion, whereas the term 'cult' is just a pejorative. Scientology isn't actually a cult.
Didn't they fight a massive law suit in the US to be called a religion for tax purposes? I'm sure they won and that's when their power went viral and worldwide.
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Didn't they fight a massive law suit in the US to be called a religion for tax purposes? I'm sure they won and that's when their power went viral and worldwide.
I'm not sure about having to "fight a massive lawsuit", but they are indeed classed as a religion, which does include some sort of tax relief. I think there are quite a few religious groups, charities and the like across America who are tax exempt or similar. You probably just have to fill in the paperwork, assuming you meet the criteria.
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I'm not sure about having to "fight a massive lawsuit", but they are indeed classed as a religion, which does include some sort of tax relief. I think there are quite a few religious groups, charities and the like across America who are tax exempt or similar. You probably just have to fill in the paperwork, assuming you meet the criteria.
I wish I recalled all the ins and outs of the tax thing. The FBI and the tax guys were trying to nail them, but they won their case. Need to clarify this of course. It was on a recent documentary, but hope for expediency someone else can provide some links.
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Perhaps what he or she is saying is that Scientology is a bona fide religion, whereas the term 'cult' is just a pejorative. Scientology isn't actually a cult.
That it's classes as a 'religion' for tax purposes does not mean it's actually a proper religion rather than a c-word.
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I wish I recalled all the ins and outs of the tax thing. The FBI and the tax guys were trying to nail them, but they won their case. Need to clarify this of course. It was on a recent documentary, but hope for expediency someone else can provide some links.

They relentlessly and ruthlessly attacked the Internal Revenue Service both as a body, by filing 100s may be 1000s of lawsuits which clogged up courtrooms and also their effectiveness to function, and by targeting individuals within the IRS....the usual intimidation tactics.

That documentary on them "Going Clear" was very enlightening. I knew very little about them apart from being accosted by them numerous times on Tottenham Court Road to take a stress test decades ago.
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That it's classes as a 'religion' for tax purposes does not mean it's actually a proper religion rather than a c-word.
I suspect it's classed as a religion because it has more than a certain number of followers, and they all religiously follow the same beliefs and practices. And being officially classed as a religion they also get tax breaks. Is there a better way to define religions?

As for the c-word, we might all agree that a particular person is a c-word, for example, but that doesn't mean that they are one. By the same token, Scientology may be called a cult by naysayers, but the word is just a pejorative term. It has no real meaning other than to be disparaging.
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They relentlessly and ruthlessly attacked the Internal Revenue Service both as a body, by filing 100s may be 1000s of lawsuits which clogged up courtrooms and also their effectiveness to function, and by targeting individuals within the IRS....the usual intimidation tactics.

That documentary on them "Going Clear" was very enlightening. I knew very little about them apart from being accosted by them numerous times on Tottenham Court Road to take a stress test decades ago.
Thank you Panda Eyes, that was the documentary I watched. People should never estimate this outfit.
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I suspect it's classed as a religion because it has more than a certain number of followers, and they all religiously follow the same beliefs and practices. And being officially classed as a religion they also get tax breaks. Is there a better way to define religions?

As for the c-word, we might all agree that a particular person is a c-word, for example, but that doesn't mean that they are one. By the same token, Scientology may be called a cult by naysayers, but the word is just a pejorative term. It has no real meaning other than to be disparaging.
They deserve every disparagy going. Short of agreeing to Nazi scientists on the show, this cult/religion or whatever you wish to call them are despicable and dangerous
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