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Oh yes, I've already seen it. I think Louis' great.
![]() ![]() I was pleased when I saw he was doing it because based on his work with the Westboro Baptist Church I knew it wouldn't simply be Scientology = evil. |
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Has anyone see Leah Remini's tv series about people who speak out about the abuse/etc they underwent with Scientology?
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/liv...assment-941846 I think I'm going to track down an episode to watch. edit: watchseries seems to have it.... |
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****ing lizards.
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My issue is with the abuses perpetrated by the Church of Scientology, which is a different entity to the Freezone and Independent Scientologists. I use the word cult while some critics don't, precisely because it often derails discussion exactly like this.
I need no ad hom or sleight of hand, all have to do is point to the original teachings of Hubbard and the stories of those who have left. You have an issue with my sarcasm, I have an issue with the way Karen was treated. |
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Put it this way, if it were easy or even possible to truly distinguish a religion from a cult (or a charity from a tax haven for that matter) you can be certain that the US government would have applied it a long time ago. The fact is that if enough people collectively claim to worship cats, for example, it's impossible to say for certain that they're all lying, so they just have to let them get on with it because it isn't fair to discriminate. Not a perfect situation, I'll grant you, but that's the world we live in.
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It's very good and I'm amazed at how much ground it has managed to cover in such a short time.
Well that's all the recommendation that I need! I've already heard good things about it but after following this thread and remarking on your knowledge of said matters I am defo seeking this out. Thank you. |
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That the Vatican hoards more. They may have more but as Patsy pointed out they've been around for well over 1000 years.
The economist estimated that Catholic Charities spent 170 billion on charity in 2010. They support loads of hospitals around the world. They also rate highly by those that do such things such as charitynavigator.org which rates them at 93.52 currently. They're not on my list but it can not be denied that they do actually spend some of their vast fortune on those who need help. I just saw a show (a few years old) about child abuse by a priest in one Canadian parish. The victims brought suit against the church, with millions in settlement. The Vatican told the local parish they were on their own in paying it. So they had to try to raise the funds from the parishioners, against whom the offense had been committed. As so many of these practically impoverished people said, the Vatican would only have to sell one artifact and have boatloads to pay off the results of their practices of sheltering pedophiles. But claimed it wasn't their responsibility.
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Well that's all the recommendation that I need! I've already heard good things about it but after following this thread and remarking on your knowledge of said matters I am defo seeking this out. Thank you.
http://tonyortega.org/2017/01/06/sci...eir-sex-lives/ |
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If you can find a way to watch ABC then there's going to be some disturbing stuff on it tonight about the way Scientology uses children as auditors and has them quiz middle-aged people about their sexual habits.
http://tonyortega.org/2017/01/06/sci...eir-sex-lives/ Okay, well thanks for the warning. |
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If you can find a way to watch ABC then there's going to be some disturbing stuff on it tonight about the way Scientology uses children as auditors and has them quiz middle-aged people about their sexual habits.
http://tonyortega.org/2017/01/06/sci...eir-sex-lives/ |
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Put it this way, if it were easy or even possible to truly distinguish a religion from a cult (or a charity from a tax haven for that matter) you can be certain that the US government would have applied it a long time ago. The fact is that if enough people collectively claim to worship cats, for example, it's impossible to say for certain that they're all lying, so they just have to let them get on with it because it isn't fair to discriminate. Not a perfect situation, I'll grant you, but that's the world we live in.
And no, I don't think we can be "certain that the US government would have applied it a long time ago". Quote:
I don't have any issue with your sarcasm. As I said, it simply highlighted the fact that you believe that a religion ought to be noble. And I have no wish to stop you from denigrating them if you so wish. All I am saying is that the word 'cult' is nothing more than a pejorative term with an ad hoc definition that's usually tailored to whatever group people want to call a cult. And like you say, it just derails discussion about the things that do actually matter.
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... A religion is a set of practices and beliefs that are shared by a group, nothing more (although the size of the congregation might come into the definition, seeing that you can't call it a religion if only one person practices it).....
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I agree amber. You have to be respectful of others beliefs. ...
Because no, we don't actually have to be respectful of beliefs. |
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Re Adam bb13: Quote:
Old thread I posted at the time.
http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?t=1821070 I would say it's unlikely that he continues to work openly with the 'church' without being an adherent. http://www.prnewswire.com/news-relea...300183964.html https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzCBxg87HiQ
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Re Adam bb13:
Thanks. I must have been aware of your tread at the time, because I posted in it, but I somehow managed to forget all about it. ![]() And I'm glad to see my views haven't changed. If anything, they've become more strident. Had the flu recently and went through a binge of cult documentaries on Netflix/Youtube. Extraordinary stuff!edited to add: by cult documentaries I don't mean documentaries that have a cult following; I mean documentaries about cults ![]()
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Me too!
And I'm glad to see my views haven't changed. If anything, they've become more strident. Had the flu recently and went through a binge of cult documentaries on Netflix/Youtube. Extraordinary stuff!edited to add: by cult documentaries I don't mean documentaries that have a cult following; I mean documentaries about cults ![]() ![]() |
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I just watched the first episode of the Leah Remini series. It's very upsetting. Might just watch one episode every couple of weeks. Don't think I can binge watch.
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Scientology is a crock of shit. And yes, it is a cult. Any 'religious organisation' that encourages the shunning of family members who leave or who resort to harassment and bullying of those who speak out against it are a cult.
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