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Old 04-01-2017, 12:52
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Another day another irrational remoan flounce, Zzzzzzz
Another day, another empty Brexit sneer. No doubt you'll be snoring whilst the economy burns.
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Old 04-01-2017, 12:53
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We have Farage demanding a large number of sackings in the Foreign Office, with committed Brexiteers brought in to replace them.

We have numerous Brexiteers demanding the new EU ambassador is a committed Brexiteer.

This is a complete undermining of the neutrality of the civil service. In the UK we do not appoint civil servants based on their political ideologies. Its very similar to the recent assault on the neutrality of the judicial system by the same people. We have a full blooded campaign now to try and shape the apparatus of the state under one political ideology - with lots of Brexit voters cheering this from the sidelines.

I wonder what will be the next target - the BBC should be on high alert.

It seems that taking back control actually means handing over all forms of power to the ideology of Brexit.
What is the ideology of Brexit?
The UK should leave the EU as decided in the referendum.
What a dangerous ideology.
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Old 04-01-2017, 13:06
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I was once proud to be a civil servant and politically neutral. The civil service are there to advise ministers and put into operation government policy as endorsed by parliament, but the civil service needs to respect and be respected by ministers and politicians, otherwise the country will suffer. Brexit has abandoned all that and is preparing to jump blind into the unknown, on the slimmest electoral basis. This nonsense must stop now. Brexit must be tested at a General Election.
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Old 04-01-2017, 13:09
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We have Farage demanding a large number of sackings in the Foreign Office, with committed Brexiteers brought in to replace them.

We have numerous Brexiteers demanding the new EU ambassador is a committed Brexiteer.

This is a complete undermining of the neutrality of the civil service. In the UK we do not appoint civil servants based on their political ideologies. Its very similar to the recent assault on the neutrality of the judicial system by the same people. We have a full blooded campaign now to try and shape the apparatus of the state under one political ideology - with lots of Brexit voters cheering this from the sidelines.

I wonder what will be the next target - the BBC should be on high alert.

It seems that taking back control actually means handing over all forms of power to the ideology of Brexit.
As opposed to the ideology of the EU, which we've had previously?

Seems OK to me - it's what happens when there's a change in policy.

(The BBC deserve to be on high alert. We could do with some presenters and journalists who are not ardently pro-EU, other than Neill).
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Old 04-01-2017, 13:15
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As opposed to the ideology of the EU, which we've had previously?

Seems OK to me - it's what happens when there's a change in policy.

(The BBC deserve to be on high alert. We could do with some presenters and journalists who are not ardently pro-EU, other than Neill).
Why should their personal views matter?
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Old 04-01-2017, 13:15
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What is the ideology of Brexit?
The UK should leave the EU as decided in the referendum.
What a dangerous ideology.
No, the idea we can have our cake and eat it, all the benefits of membership but none of the commitments.

That's what's dangerous.
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Old 04-01-2017, 13:16
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Why should their personal views matter?
They shouldn't.
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Old 04-01-2017, 13:20
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Another day another irrational remoan flounce, Zzzzzzz
Yes, you go to sleep....

Hurrah for remainers!!
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Old 04-01-2017, 13:27
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What is the ideology of Brexit?
The UK should leave the EU as decided in the referendum.

What a dangerous ideology.
And then what? - Have you got a crystal ball?
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Old 04-01-2017, 13:31
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And then what? - Have you got a crystal ball?
I'm not sure whose turn it is to have it this week.
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Old 04-01-2017, 13:32
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I'm not sure whose turn it is to have it this week.
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Old 04-01-2017, 13:50
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Being rational is a hindrance to implementing brexit because it is such a bad idea. So they are getting towards the point the only people who will do it are extremists.

I don't think it will be much longer until May takes a bout of conscience and resigns.

Perhapes this is a sequence of events which will be put in motion when she doesn't trigger A50 in March.

If its such a terrible idea why did David Cameron ever hold a referendum and which point will he be held accountable for the disaster he caused? Why does he get away scot free?
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Old 04-01-2017, 14:07
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If its such a terrible idea why did David Cameron ever hold a referendum and which point will he be held accountable for the disaster he caused? Why does he get away scot free?
He thought he'd win.

He doesn't get away scot free, he lost his job over it.
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Old 04-01-2017, 14:32
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Anybody that has ever employed people or been in charge of others should be able to see what's going on here.
Some people just can't handle change, they're stuck in the past and refuse to move on, always believing the old ways are the best.
The civil service probably needs a good clear out of all the dead wood and some energetic new blood put in place so it can function more effiency.
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Old 04-01-2017, 14:34
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Anybody that has ever employed people or been in charge of others should be able to see what's going on here.
Some people just can't handle change, they're stuck in the past and refuse to move on, always believing the old ways are the best.
The civil service probably needs a good clear out of all the dead wood and some energetic new blood put in place so it can function more effiency.
I can't argue with there being people who are stuck in the past and refuse to move on.

The problem is that they're occupying Parliament, No. 10, and briefly occupied ballot boxes in June 2016. One of them tends to be seen in the pub, too lazy to go to work.

They aren't the civil servants.
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Old 04-01-2017, 14:35
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He thought he'd win.

He doesn't get away scot free, he lost his job over it.
Cameron didn't lose his job, he was under no pressure to but resigned from it.
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Old 04-01-2017, 14:37
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how is separating the UK from a political union a "bad idea" when it allows the UK government to cater for UK national interests using UK taxpayers money?
Because the Conservative government is using Brexit to enhance their executive power. Mrs May has used the cover of direct democracy to ensure her political survival.
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Old 04-01-2017, 14:44
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why did David Cameron ever hold a referendum
To keep some of his backbenchers quiet.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politic...ments-38402140

will he be held accountable for the disaster he caused?
No.

Would would hold David Cameron accountable ? Mrs May won't nor any other Tory. The judiciary has been discredited. The House of Lords marginalised. And MPs are servants to the 'will of the people'

Why does he get away scot free?
Because he didn't break the law.
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Old 04-01-2017, 14:51
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Cameron didn't lose his job, he was under no pressure to but resigned from it.
He realistically had no choice. The country had rejected his advice and he couldn't morally carry out something he'd said was a bad idea.
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Old 04-01-2017, 14:53
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Anybody that has ever employed people or been in charge of others should be able to see what's going on here.
Some people just can't handle change, they're stuck in the past and refuse to move on, always believing the old ways are the best.
The civil service probably needs a good clear out of all the dead wood and some energetic new blood put in place so it can function more effiency.
When someone can explain how the new way of inhibiting 45% of our trade is "best" then they can move on.
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Old 04-01-2017, 14:55
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He realistically had no choice. The country had rejected his advice and he couldn't morally carry out something he'd said was a bad idea.
He once said we'd be fine outside the EU but whatever the fact is he didn't lose his job, he resigned from it.
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Old 04-01-2017, 15:00
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So why mention them?
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Old 04-01-2017, 15:04
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So why mention them?
What? Who?
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Old 04-01-2017, 15:04
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The civil service probably needs a good clear out of all the dead wood and some energetic new blood put in place so it can function more effiency.
Preferably with 'energetic new blood' which can understand what the UK needs to successfully do to ensure the 5,300 trade schedules and 87 agricultural tariff trade rate quotas are ready and agreed for WTO membership.

Here Dr Liam Fox's session at the Commons dispatch box on 15 December 2016.
https://www.theyworkforyou.com/debat....945.2&p=10213

As you can see, he's cut and paste all the EU trade schedules and then goes onto suggest that Customs Union is quite a good idea.

Mind you, any ongoing support that Dr Fox has for EU Customs Union reduces his work load. Just like those 'fat and lazy' UK businessmen he referred to, before Mrs May gave him a political slapping.
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Old 04-01-2017, 15:24
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Have you forgotten what you posted already? This is what you originally said:

The BBC deserve to be on high alert. We could do with some presenters and journalists who are not ardently pro-EU, other than Neill).
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