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Why didnt Sam Wommack just say no?
Hearing a bit about Janus/Wommack that she hated the way her character was killed off at same time as on screen sister so why didnt she just turn round and refuse to do it.
The new producer wanted the characters gone where she wanted to come back later rather than kill her character off so if she had refused she could returned years later. Yeah they could have just fired her but she would have been gone regardless so dont know why she didnt just stand up for herself. |
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In this industry that is not how it works . If Sam Womak did such a thing she would be blacklisted and find it hard to find work . An actress doesnt choose how a character progresses . And actors know this
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It would be seen as being very unprofessional and could effect any other acting jobs she would be offered in the future not to mention the media and social media whingers would be all over it and calling all the names under the sun, oh wait they already are.
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She was probably just being diplomatic when she said she'd agreed to it. I doubt she had much choice.
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because you don't just say no to the people that are paying you. Even if you'd be leaving anyway.
At the end of the day The BBC are still her employers, they probably still had money to pay her for her work and maybe even redundancy pay that would have been yet to reach her. Also as an actor it's not good to get a reputation for being a bit of a diva. She would not have wanted to jeopardise future opportunities because casting agents refuse to work with her after hearing she refused to do what she was told on the set of EastEnders. |
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Are you serious? She's a professional actress who was under contract and erm, being PAID to do her job.
And just imagine if she had thrown a strop and refused to do it, like others have said she'd probably never have been employed by the BBC again, or anyone for that matter |
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I wish she had.
To be fair there are other actors who have refused to do certain storylines and stayed in a job. Nick Cotton refusing to so the gay storyline in the 80s, fair enough he got axed after that, but still came back. Same with Grant refusing do to the rape storyline, he didn't even get the Axe. It would not look good professionally but I'm sure she would have got work elsewhere. And I'm certain she would have ended up back on EastEnders in years to come. But the girl is a professional. I'm sure she will speak out soon against Sean. |
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I would imagine had she refused and simply not done it the BBC would have still killed her off just off the screen and I would assume she would have had legal action taken to recoup her paid fees and any losses the BBC had etc
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She would be blacklisted, get a reputation of being difficult on set. There are only a few instances an actir has any say in how the character is written.
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I would imagine had she refused and simply not done it the BBC would have still killed her off just off the screen and I would assume she would have had legal action taken to recoup her paid fees and any losses the BBC had etc
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I think Sam and Rita must have known very early on that SOC hated their characters. Therefore, they had no choice but to except an exit storyline. I'm sure they were gutted to be killed off but that's the industry. Sam is on screen for the next Kingsman film which isn't that long away.
It will be interesting if Sam ever works for the BBC again. |
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Hearing a bit about Janus/Wommack that she hated the way her character was killed off at same time as on screen sister so why didnt she just turn round and refuse to do it.
The new producer wanted the characters gone where she wanted to come back later rather than kill her character off so if she had refused she could returned years later. Yeah they could have just fired her but she would have been gone regardless so dont know why she didnt just stand up for herself.
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She's hardly regarded highly in the same way someone like Steve McFadden is who plays one of the most iconic and long serving characters in the show. I liked Ronnie but she was always an extremely polarising character who divided viewers at the end of the day.
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Because she's a professional.
And, by the way, it's never been said that SOC hated Ronnie and Roxy. Makes sense people are thinking that to be true, but who says it is? He may have just thought the characters had run their course, which I agree with. On the fence about killing them off, not sure if it was the right decision, but right now I'm not that bothered they've gone. In a few years when Amy's a bit older, perhaps, it might prove to be a mistake. But hey ho! |
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Hearing a bit about Janus/Wommack that she hated the way her character was killed off at same time as on screen sister so why didnt she just turn round and refuse to do it.
The new producer wanted the characters gone where she wanted to come back later rather than kill her character off so if she had refused she could returned years later. Yeah they could have just fired her but she would have been gone regardless so dont know why she didnt just stand up for herself. She'd have been committing professional suicide and I'm surprised that you can't see this. Quote:
I wish she had.
To be fair there are other actors who have refused to do certain storylines and stayed in a job. Nick Cotton refusing to so the gay storyline in the 80s, fair enough he got axed after that, but still came back. Same with Grant refusing do to the rape storyline, he didn't even get the Axe. It would not look good professionally but I'm sure she would have got work elsewhere. And I'm certain she would have ended up back on EastEnders in years to come. But the girl is a professional. I'm sure she will speak out soon against Sean. I'd be very surprised if we hear anything from Sam other than the generic she was sad to leave etc. Quote:
I would imagine had she refused and simply not done it the BBC would have still killed her off just off the screen and I would assume she would have had legal action taken to recoup her paid fees and any losses the BBC had etc
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I think Sam and Rita must have known very early on that SOC hated their characters. Therefore, they had no choice but to except an exit storyline. I'm sure they were gutted to be killed off but that's the industry. Sam is on screen for the next Kingsman film which isn't that long away.
It will be interesting if Sam ever works for the BBC again. I think he gave them a great exit, the wedding day itself was memorable with nods to their introduction as party girls (even the soda syphons came back out). Ronnie in particular had been rehabilitated from 'Gangsta Ronnie' who was organising someone being put in car boots to die and became more of an earth mother, settled in a happy relationship which makes her ending all the more tragic and therefore memorable. I honestly think Roxy got the worse exit as they've had her sniffing coke, being reckless, thinking she was useless etc (when she'd held the fort quite fine when Ronnie was in a coma) and then drunkenly jumping in the pool ensuring that Ronnie had to jump in to try and save her which killed them both. But it was a helluva ending for these characters which is going to be remembered for a long time. |
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Forgive me if I made this up, but didn't the guy who played Beppe DiMarco refuse to play out his final scenes so they had to get some random character in to do them with Lynn Slater??
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As others have said, it would have been utterly unprofessional.
As others have said, if you are paid to do a job, you do it as instructed by your boss, whether you like it or not. I very much doubt they'd have changed the outcome if she'd refused, they'd just have done it some other way. Had her die off screen or even hired a double so we just saw her floating face down in a pool with no build up. The bosses always win in these situations. To echo what Lotty said, if she gives her 'true' opinion on SOC shortly, thst would also be unprofessional. The fact is that you don't slag off your employer, former or present, unless you are prepared to be seen as a troubke maker and risk future employers being put off you for that reasom. That's true in any industry, including acting. I also don't think there is anything to suggest that he hated them or the decision was petty. He probabky just felt that they'd had their time, no longer fitted in the show but deserved a big exit. Not everybody can leave in a black cab. I'd suggest that if he'd hated them, he'd have written them out much more quickly and in a lower key way. I don't think he hates Lee either but his exit will be necessary gor the prominent story he wanted to tell for him through the Autumn and Winter. |
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I wonder has he worked much since on BBC ?
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She was hardly ever in work anyway taking endless breaks. Ronnie became a frumpy boring housewife who was a cunning murderer one minute and the angel of the square the next. I'm glad she's dead.
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Natalie Cassidy refused to play a lesbian and left, only to return and play a lesbian, albeit seemingly with a no kissing on camera clause.
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Natalie Cassidy refused to play a lesbian and left, only to return and play a lesbian, albeit seemingly with a no kissing on camera clause.
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Hearing a bit about Janus/Wommack that she hated the way her character was killed off at same time as on screen sister so why didnt she just turn round and refuse to do it.
The new producer wanted the characters gone where she wanted to come back later rather than kill her character off so if she had refused she could returned years later. Yeah they could have just fired her but she would have been gone regardless so dont know why she didnt just stand up for herself. Basically the only choice she had was be killed off with a wimper or go out with a bang and it be remembered forever. We don't know how much she argued with the producer in the first place? All we know is he wanted Ronnie dead and gone. She was never coming back, so in the end it was best she did it their way. Rita Simons is the one here most likely to of had a choice. She was probably told we are going to axe you at the end of your contract so you can either stay until then or have your contract cut short and leave at the same time as Sam Womack and give Ronnie & Roxy a spectacular exit. |
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Because she was under contract.
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She's hardly regarded highly in the same way someone like Steve McFadden is who plays one of the most iconic and long serving characters in the show. I liked Ronnie but she was always an extremely polarising character who divided viewers at the end of the day.
OK she isn't Babs Windsor but the BBC did rate Sam. Not so sure now though. |
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Hearing a bit about Janus/Wommack that she hated the way her character was killed off at same time as on screen sister so why didnt she just turn round and refuse to do it.
The new producer wanted the characters gone where she wanted to come back later rather than kill her character off so if she had refused she could returned years later. Yeah they could have just fired her but she would have been gone regardless so dont know why she didnt just stand up for herself. |
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