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She probably didn't say no because she'd like to work again.
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How old is op? Anyone who has worked for a living knows you can't always do what you want. In any case I won't miss her, my favorite memories are when she was in a coma
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Hearing a bit about Janus/Wommack that she hated the way her character was killed off at same time as on screen sister so why didnt she just turn round and refuse to do it.
The new producer wanted the characters gone where she wanted to come back later rather than kill her character off so if she had refused she could returned years later. Yeah they could have just fired her but she would have been gone regardless so dont know why she didnt just stand up for herself. |
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Natalie Cassidy refused to play a lesbian and left, only to return and play a lesbian, albeit seemingly with a no kissing on camera clause.
Like Sam, these are professional actresses and I don't believe for a minute they refused to do anything. The bosses just wouldn't allow that sort of attitude from actors who are under contract and being paid to do their job. They'd be out the door quicker than you can say "we won't be renewing your contract" |
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She's not Zammo...
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Hmm now is that really true? Same with the statement about Michelle Ryan "refusing" her character becoming a lesbian? Is there any proof anywhere that this actually happened?
Like Sam, these are professional actresses and I don't believe for a minute they refused to do anything. The bosses just wouldn't allow that sort of attitude from actors who are under contract and being paid to do their job. They'd be out the door quicker than you can say "we won't be renewing your contract" Re Cassidy, I'd have to say that if she did, her refusal didn't work very well as the story with Naomi went on for months. They even had them living together for a time! Then, they had her 'go gay' again following her return. I also think that aside from tge general professionalism aspect, any actor would really be playing with fire to dig their heels in over a sexuality storyline in this day and age as it would cone actoss as them being a bigot. Not something most actors would want a reputation for, especially as there is probabky a higher per entage of gay people in the media, including casting agents, directors, producers and reviewers than many other professions. |
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Hearing a bit about Janus/Wommack that she hated the way her character was killed off at same time as on screen sister so why didnt she just turn round and refuse to do it.
The new producer wanted the characters gone where she wanted to come back later rather than kill her character off so if she had refused she could returned years later. Yeah they could have just fired her but she would have been gone regardless so dont know why she didnt just stand up for herself. Quote:
I think Sam and Rita must have known very early on that SOC hated their characters. Therefore, they had no choice but to except an exit storyline. I'm sure they were gutted to be killed off but that's the industry. Sam is on screen for the next Kingsman film which isn't that long away.
It will be interesting if Sam ever works for the BBC again. BIB definitely don't think this was an exec producer ego trip of axing/killing off the characters he hated and Samantha tweeted the storyline was an appropriate end. Quote:
Because she's a professional.
And, by the way, it's never been said that SOC hated Ronnie and Roxy. Makes sense people are thinking that to be true, but who says it is? He may have just thought the characters had run their course, which I agree with. On the fence about killing them off, not sure if it was the right decision, but right now I'm not that bothered they've gone. In a few years when Amy's a bit older, perhaps, it might prove to be a mistake. But hey ho! |
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I think you could tell that both struggled in their final scenes. A lot of the reactions at the key points you could almost tell that it was their actual feelings. Sam Womack is a professional actress, and no matter how difficult the script was, she would not refuse to film it. When they did the baby swap storyline, Sam Womacked expressed her opinion on the storyline, and yes she may have quit because of it, she did still film it, and did not refuse to film any parts. I should imagine her being credited tomorrow will be as a body, with Jack saying a final goodbye to Ronnie.
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Babs Windsor let the cat out of the bag in an interview she did for some newspaper (I read it in the Daily Mail) but know they stated that the interview was with another paper. Babs said, that both actresses had no say at all in the storyline. That the EP told them they were both being killed off, and they were told to make the press think that, it was their choice to play out the storyline. Babs was furious, and blamed the new EP...said all sorts of horrible things about him.
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I think after a while it became obvious that both didn't agree to the storyline. Just by reading their tweets, and the fact their seems to be no departure interview for either or anything. The whole thing feels a but flat to be honest, almost like a minor character has been killed off. The aftermath in the show has been pretty flat apart from scenes involving Jack, Max, Glenda, Sharon, Phil and Honey.
You usually have like a farewell interview or message when someone leaves, and sometimes even an interview with the producer on how things will develop from their, why they chose to kill them off etc. Even the offical website has no best bits for them or anything like that. They had the opportunity to have turned this into a good storyline weather they had been killed off or not, but it just feels like within two weeks they will be forgotten about, and the next big storyline will be lined up, I feel even the departure of Lee is having a bigger build up, and will most likely have more of an aftermath when he eventually leaves. Which if tackled good I think he could be given a great send off, especially as acting wise lately, he has been amazing. The thing that bothers me most though, is he has been around for 3 years, compared to the 10 years of the Mitchell Sisters, and has only ever really been involved in very minor storylines up until recently. |
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I agree that they ptobably weren't happy and it is Windsor speaking out (again unprofessional imo but she's a 'national treasure' so can get away with it) and Womacks reaction to that which have indicated it.
Maybe had this almost backdoor and rather sly criticism of SOC not happened, there would have been official tributes and interviews? Just a thought. Re Lee, yes of course there is more build up because his depression and the actions it has led him to take with his job, lying, robbery and how it impacts his family is the storyline. His exit, whatever it may be, will be a consequence of that story rather than the reason for it. Ronnie and Roxys deaths were a random, freak event. There was no pre warning for it, any more than somebody being in a car crash would be pre warned. So, there couldn't be a build up. Except arguably there was. Because Ronnie and Jack playing happy families with Roxys daughter has been pushing her into self destructive behaviour. And that, jumping into a pool when high on drink and possibly drugs, is ultimately what killed them both. |
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Really confused why a lot of people on this forum are stating that Samantha Wommack and/or Rita Simons hated the way they were killed off. It was heartbreaking yes for sure, they are exiting a 10 year stint in the show, but as mentioned in statements when their exit was announced, both felt their characters had run their circles and couldn't be explored further and wanted to pursue other projects.
BIB definitely don't think this was an exec producer ego trip of axing/killing off the characters he hated and Samantha tweeted the storyline was an appropriate end. Totally I agree, even if she did hate it, she wouldn't have walked out or argued. She's a consummate professional and great to work with
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I agree that they ptobably weren't happy and it is Windsor speaking out (again unprofessional imo but she's a 'national treasure' so can get away with it) and Womacks reaction to that which have indicated it.
Maybe had this almost backdoor and rather sly criticism of SOC not happened, there would have been official tributes and interviews? Just a thought. Re Lee, yes of course there is more build up because his depression and the actions it has led him to take with his job, lying, robbery and how it impacts his family is the storyline. His exit, whatever it may be, will be a consequence of that story rather than the reason for it. Ronnie and Roxys deaths were a random, freak event. There was no pre warning for it, any more than somebody being in a car crash would be pre warned. So, there couldn't be a build up. Except arguably there was. Because Ronnie and Jack playing happy families with Roxys daughter has been pushing her into self destructive behaviour. And that, jumping into a pool when high on drink and possibly drugs, is ultimately what killed them both. |
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I wish she had.
To be fair there are other actors who have refused to do certain storylines and stayed in a job. Nick Cotton refusing to so the gay storyline in the 80s, fair enough he got axed after that, but still came back. Same with Grant refusing do to the rape storyline, he didn't even get the Axe. BIB - I think another difference was that TPTB wanted to keep Ross Kemp on the show and he seems to have told them to kill the story or he'd walk immediately. The cynic in me also wonders if the storylines you mentioned didn't play a role; the BBC has to have known that public sympathy would have been with the actors in both cases for refusing those stories - in the 80s there wouldn't be stigma attached to a straight actor being uncomfortable "playing gay". |
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None of them stated their characters stories were going in circles or that that they wanted to leave. Both took a diplomatic approach stating they agreed to leave and it was an exciting storyline. Im getting tired of forum members creaying their own versions of things. They were axed but given their tenure with the show allowed some view surrounding their statements and agreement to being axed. But the lack of long term storyline, character driven syoryline exit...there is ZERO way the actresses are happy about it but they are parents and mothers so taking the diplomatic approach of cryptic retweets and tweets which dont insult but basically tell the audience they arent happy. Lets just hope big names dont quit this year due to this though
![]() "But when they all sat down to work out where to take them, they all felt it was the right time to rest them. When you look back over nearly a decade and realise what they have been through, it seems that most avenues have been exhausted. "So when Sean proposed his idea to them, Rita jumped at the opportunity to do the storyline. She even stated that the sisters should go out the same way they arrived - together. "Bosses desperately wanted to keep the news of their departures a secret, but once the news about Samantha leaked out, it was only a matter of time before people worked out Rita would be going too. "It's a shame as it would have been a great surprise for the audience but there are still lots of twists to come before they leave our screens." http://www.digitalspy.com/soaps/east...ving-together/ Article from 18th August 2016, which means discussions must have been made even earlier in the year. Fair enough cryptic re-tweets now after everything's over but when the storyline was first proposed, both Sam and Rita gave the go ahead. |
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As others have said, it would have been utterly unprofessional.
As others have said, if you are paid to do a job, you do it as instructed by your boss, whether you like it or not. I very much doubt they'd have changed the outcome if she'd refused, they'd just have done it some other way. Had her die off screen or even hired a double so we just saw her floating face down in a pool with no build up. The bosses always win in these situations. To echo what Lotty said, if she gives her 'true' opinion on SOC shortly, thst would also be unprofessional. The fact is that you don't slag off your employer, former or present, unless you are prepared to be seen as a troubke maker and risk future employers being put off you for that reasom. That's true in any industry, including acting. I also don't think there is anything to suggest that he hated them or the decision was petty. He probabky just felt that they'd had their time, no longer fitted in the show but deserved a big exit. Not everybody can leave in a black cab. I'd suggest that if he'd hated them, he'd have written them out much more quickly and in a lower key way. I don't think he hates Lee either but his exit will be necessary gor the prominent story he wanted to tell for him through the Autumn and Winter. IMO, Sam Womack had conflicting interests over a significant period of time by having time off for panto and other commitments and I don't think she had enough dedication to EE added to her character reaching the end of her shelf life. She wasn't really moving forward on the show and was stuck in a loop so they had to get rid. Probably a stronger character than Roxy and with more depth but as I said, there was nowhere for her to go. |
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