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Old 04-01-2017, 22:37
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Rock is not dead it's just not in the top 40 singles or radio play and that's because the generation got brainwashed into feeding on what's force fed them .
We live in a world where kids think Adele and beyonce write their own songs and are God's where one direction are compared to the Beatles when they don't even write or play .
The djs lost control the Simon cowels ran the machine .now they play classic hits when the new music by those artists is just as good.
Newer Rock acts survive on the live scene the albums the people with brains who seek them out . . Rock is alive and kicking its just not as a popular .

But music changes .standards to Sinatra then to Elvis the Beatles to harder rock guitar bands to punk to rap to pop to electronic to dance music .modern r &b to indie to now what is watered down versions of all of that .

Top 40 has always been commercial .Rock had a run but you can't sell it if you can't get anyone to hear it . And that's the problem with music now. Radio is dead video shows are dead they air the same force fed junk minute after minute .like tv they dictate what is cool and what's not . Like the news dictates how we think by choosing what to tell us and how.
You got to seek it all out .

Radio mtv should be diverse then music will thrive . Most gave up cause they were sick of the same stuff over and over .
Of course drake will do well that's all they play all kids know .
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Old 04-01-2017, 23:16
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Rock is not dead it's just not in the top 40 singles or radio play and that's because the generation got brainwashed into feeding on what's force fed them .
We live in a world where kids think Adele and beyonce write their own songs and are God's where one direction are compared to the Beatles when they don't even write or play .
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Rock is not dead, it is not in the top 40 singles,,,it was when I was younger in the 70s and 80s but not so much now. Rock seems to be alive in the album charts and there are big festivals like Download, Reading and Leeds etc. My daughter is in her 20s, goes to these festivals, likes artists like Faith No More, Devin Townsend, Avenge Sevenfold, Ghost and Rammstein. I've got her to listen to some industrial rock like Ministry and Nine Inch Nails whom I prefer.

However, I wouldn't badmouth a lot of modern music like Beyonce's 'Lemonade' or Kendrick Lamar's 'To Pimp a Butterfly' as these records are brilliant creations; brilliant sounds, social commentary, imagery, the lot. If this is what has replaced rock music at the core of pop music, then fine.
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Old 04-01-2017, 23:32
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you mean mags like "Classic Rock", "Heritage Rock", "Geriatic Rock" and "Not quite dead yet Rock"?

Nope, rock really is, if not dead, then on life support. No music genre lasts forever.
Bollocks. Every rock concert I've ever been to, up to and including December 2016 has been packed to the rafters.
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Old Yesterday, 07:12
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Rock is not dead it's just not in the top 40 singles or radio play and that's because the generation got brainwashed into feeding on what's force fed them .
We live in a world where kids think Adele and beyonce write their own songs and are God's where one direction are compared to the Beatles when they don't even write or play .
The djs lost control the Simon cowels ran the machine .now they play classic hits when the new music by those artists is just as good.
Newer Rock acts survive on the live scene the albums the people with brains who seek them out . . Rock is alive and kicking its just not as a popular .

But music changes .standards to Sinatra then to Elvis the Beatles to harder rock guitar bands to punk to rap to pop to electronic to dance music .modern r &b to indie to now what is watered down versions of all of that .

Top 40 has always been commercial .Rock had a run but you can't sell it if you can't get anyone to hear it . And that's the problem with music now. Radio is dead video shows are dead they air the same force fed junk minute after minute .like tv they dictate what is cool and what's not . Like the news dictates how we think by choosing what to tell us and how.
You got to seek it all out .

Radio mtv should be diverse then music will thrive . Most gave up cause they were sick of the same stuff over and over .
Of course drake will do well that's all they play all kids know .
great point about video shows one of the turning points was when MTV2 turned into MTV Rocks, which ironically hardly played any rock anymore and if it did they were old songs. MTV2 was my default station for about 15 years just a great video station.
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Old Yesterday, 08:13
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you mean mags like "Classic Rock", "Heritage Rock", "Geriatic Rock" and "Not quite dead yet Rock"?

Nope, rock really is, if not dead, then on life support. No music genre lasts forever.
He probably means Kerrang and suchlike that are staples of the music mag shelf in WHS that tell us rock music is alive and well and as good for you today as it's always been.
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Old Yesterday, 09:32
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you mean mags like "Classic Rock", "Heritage Rock", "Geriatic Rock" and "Not quite dead yet Rock"?

Nope, rock really is, if not dead, then on life support. No music genre lasts forever.
i have sympathy for the bib.... i do think the excitement, the creative burst witnessed when any new genre emerges , can only last so long before the style repeats itself.

rock might be popular amongst the faithful, but is it really as new and exciting as it once was? from what ive heard (which admittedly isnt much) its all just regurgitated re-hashed generic stuff that has been done many many times before.

yeah i know ill get shot down by the usual suspects, hardened rock fans, but i cannot see a rock act appealling to me again. i reckon ive heard all the variety in rock i like, i dont think any rock act can produce something id like, something new.

as for the op's header... tbh theres a valid point made, the dumbing down of chart material has lead to a point where having a dance beat is pretty much required.
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i have sympathy for the bib.... i do think the excitement, the creative burst witnessed when any new genre emerges , can only last so long before the style repeats itself.
The creative burst and excitement usually lasts until the major record labels notice, it is then very quickly watered down and "sanitised" for consumption by the masses.

A small number of the originators might survive unscathed but most succumb in the end followed by a wave of "genre-lite" copyists who make the real killing, aided and abetted by those major labels.

rock might be popular amongst the faithful, but is it really as new and exciting as it once was? from what ive heard (which admittedly isnt much) its all just regurgitated re-hashed generic stuff that has been done many many times before.

yeah i know ill get shot down by the usual suspects, hardened rock fans, but i cannot see a rock act appealling to me again. i reckon ive heard all the variety in rock i like, i dont think any rock act can produce something id like, something new.

as for the op's header... tbh theres a valid point made, the dumbing down of chart material has lead to a point where having a dance beat is pretty much required.
Whether people like Rock music or not really doesn't bother me, musical taste is entirely personal and subjective after all.

What really annoys me are the consistent claims that Rock music is "dead" when it very evidently isn't.
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There was a few documentaries on BBC4 last year about heavy metal/rock. It was massive then just seemed to disappear from the air, given no airplay on radio stations. What was happening live gigs brought in new fans, new bands came forward. It hadn't gone away at all just evolving under the radar of most.

The real heart and soul has been live gigs.
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Old Yesterday, 12:28
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New & exciting , no probably not most rock bands are using sounds that have been used before but it doesn't mean that they are still not enjoyable to listen to or a lively gig to go and see . Also from what I see when I go to gigs teenage fans especially like to think bands are theirs . You Me At Six for example have hoards of teenage and student fans . Yes they probably could have existed anytime since maybe 1992 but they are exciting to their target audience. For us yes it's all been done before and probably better but young rock fans yes they do exist want their own bands just there isn't enough of them streaming music all day long probably cause they are out going to gigs etc rather than listening to a smartphone

Also as I have said before if something truly new came along in rock I doubt any of us would like it anyway but an exciting genre right now is horror punk bands like Creeper 'Suzanne' and HMLTD both played on Radio 1!! listen their new song/video 'Stains' and tell me they aren't something special . Yes we had The Cramps etc in our day who did similar thing but that doesn't stop it being interesting or exciting again in 2016.

I would actually say that dance music is getting more tired and less new and exciting than rock
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New & exciting , no probably not most rock bands are using sounds that have been used before but it doesn't mean that they are still not enjoyable to listen to or a lively gig to go and see . Also from what I see when I go to gigs teenage fans especially like to think bands are theirs . You Me At Six for example have hoards of teenage and student fans . Yes they probably could have existed anytime since maybe 1992 but they are exciting to their target audience. For us yes it's all been done before and probably better but young rock fans yes they do exist want their own bands just there isn't enough of them streaming music all day long probably cause they are out going to gigs etc rather than listening to a smartphone

Also as I have said before if something truly new came along in rock I doubt any of us would like it anyway but an exciting genre right now is horror punk bands like Creeper 'Suzanne' and HMLTD both played on Radio 1!! listen their new song/video 'Stains' and tell me they aren't something special . Yes we had The Cramps etc in our day who did similar thing but that doesn't stop it being interesting or exciting again in 2016.

I would actually say that dance music is getting more tired and less new and exciting than rock
I think this is a very important and valid point.

It is easy for us "old 'uns" to say it has all been done before and there's nothing new but for these young bands and their audience it is all "new".

To me the perfect example of this is Airbourne. To me they are a "rip off" of AC/DC circa 1977.

But the majority of their fans are under 25 and so will only have seen video footage of AC/DC in their prime and will never experience what they were truly like. Having seen them a few times Airbourne live are very reminiscent of AC/DC at their peak and in full flow and I totally understand why people love them.

For me Rock music has always been about the live "experience" and whilst that still thrills people Rock will endure.
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Old Yesterday, 13:53
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For me Rock music has always been about the live "experience" and whilst that still thrills people Rock will endure.
I can endorse this in the essence of Yes. While I can enjoy their studio albums, there is nothing quite like Yessongs, the live album. It's practically a second orgasm.
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Old Yesterday, 19:12
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No Rock isn't dead, good mainstream rock perhaps. Although, I think its one of the genres of music that will always have a following because of its rich history. The genre is so broad that that it will remain for a long time, you also have decent Metal and overseas and underground rock.
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Old Yesterday, 20:38
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Rock is not dead, it is not in the top 40 singles,,,it was when I was younger in the 70s and 80s but not so much now. Rock seems to be alive in the album charts and there are big festivals like Download, Reading and Leeds etc. My daughter is in her 20s, goes to these festivals, likes artists like Faith No More, Devin Townsend, Avenge Sevenfold, Ghost and Rammstein. I've got her to listen to some industrial rock like Ministry and Nine Inch Nails whom I prefer.

However, I wouldn't badmouth a lot of modern music like Beyonce's 'Lemonade' or Kendrick Lamar's 'To Pimp a Butterfly' as these records are brilliant creations; brilliant sounds, social commentary, imagery, the lot. If this is what has replaced rock music at the core of pop music, then fine.
There's room for beyonce but she's not rock. The radio stations and music channels and press need to play more diverse music rather than only one type .
The radio stations and channels that do play Rock need to stop with playing the same songs . All those Rock artists have vast careers but it's the same songs played .
If rock isn't popular its because of all that.
There's so much great music old and new but it's never heard by the masses Rock pop whatever it is . And that's down to the big wigs who control what we hear .at £40 a minute per play no wonder they agree to play only certain acts .
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Old Today, 00:52
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Yeh but it's December/ post Xmas it's full of mor , best ofs and stuff like that not a good time for rock
OK, let's look at the biggest sellers of the whole year;

http://www.officialcharts.com/chart-...f-2016__17580/

excluding 2 Bowie hits compilations (but including Black star which isn't even rock really) that makes 5 rock acts in the 40, again around 12%. Same as in the current chart. And virtually none are new acts either.
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Old Today, 02:30
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Ah yes the old "rock is dead" chestnut, that's why we have festivals like Download, Reading, Leeds, Ramblin' Man Fair, Bloodstock and the various Hard Rock Hell festivals all in the UK and that's without mentioning the sheer number of rock festivals in Europe and then globally.

Oh and let's not forget all the various bands playing arenas such as Wembley Arena, the O2 or Wembley Stadium, such as old classics like AC/DC, Iron Maiden, Metallica, Aerosmith, KISS, Guns N Roses and Black Sabbath to the new bands like Bring Me The Horizon, Avenged Sevenfold, Alter Bridge, Black Stone Cherry, Steel Panther and Babymetal to name but a few.

Rock is far, far, far, far, FAR from dead. To suggest otherwise is outright silly, and the truth of the matter is the rock bands of today even though not currently "mainstream" will probably have more of an impact in hindsight than all this disco/dubstep/electronic music.
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