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Old 04-01-2017, 13:16
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http://www.digitalspy.com/soaps/east...tory-with-lee/

I'm glad that others noticed this, I was screaming at the TV. Whitney has 100% behaved like a spoiled and kept woman recently.

Tbh I don't like where the Lee story as going as they are seeming to paint him as heartless now rather than someone who is suffering.

I think they shouldn't have made Lee rob the Vic, maybe he could have robbed somewhere else and then he'd get the sympathy he rightfully deserves for his illness. Instead, everyone is now more focused on the betrayal of Lee getting his family robbed.
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Old 04-01-2017, 13:37
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I noticed that too, it was really annoying. But I would say that Lee isn't innocent in all this. He should've been honest to her about his job in the first place. He may not have been in so much debt if he wasn't shelling out gifts, etc.
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Old 04-01-2017, 14:09
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I didn't have a particular problem with it. Yes, Whitney was asking for those things but then she thought Lee was in a well-paid job and could afford it. He never gave her reason to think otherwise. I don't see her as especially materialistic but she thought Lee had a fantastic job and no reason to believe otherwise. In those circumstances, she's understandably thought they'd moved up in the world. She wouldn't have hankered after the stuff if Lee had been honest from the start.

Sometimes you have to look at a situation from the point of view of the character and what they know, rather than from our position as a viewer who is aware of the bigger picture.
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Old 04-01-2017, 14:14
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SOC must like Whitney as a character, she has been used much more than she was under DTC.
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Old 04-01-2017, 14:24
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I didn't have a particular problem with it. Yes, Whitney was asking for those things but then she thought Lee was in a well-paid job and could afford it. He never gave her reason to think otherwise. I don't see her as especially materialistic but she thought Lee had a fantastic job and no reason to believe otherwise. In those circumstances, she's understandably thought they'd moved up in the world. She wouldn't have hankered after the stuff if Lee had been honest from the start.

Sometimes you have to look at a situation from the point of view of the character and what they know, rather than from our position as a viewer who is aware of the bigger picture.
Perfectly summed up!
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Old 04-01-2017, 14:25
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I found it unbelievable when Whitney starting lecturing Lee about how she asked for 'none of this'

She put so much pressure on him for their own place, etc.... but Lee should have had the balls to stand up to her from the off.

Easily said though, I can imagine how easy it was for Lee to get swept along by it all not wanting his hot, young wife to admit he was a loser.
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Old 04-01-2017, 14:31
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I didn't have a particular problem with it. Yes, Whitney was asking for those things but then she thought Lee was in a well-paid job and could afford it. He never gave her reason to think otherwise. I don't see her as especially materialistic but she thought Lee had a fantastic job and no reason to believe otherwise. In those circumstances, she's understandably thought they'd moved up in the world. She wouldn't have hankered after the stuff if Lee had been honest from the start.

Sometimes you have to look at a situation from the point of view of the character and what they know, rather than from our position as a viewer who is aware of the bigger picture.
Exactly.

Her choices of words could been better but she thought he could afford it, doubt she would of done it all if she thought otherwise.
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Old 04-01-2017, 14:32
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I hated Whitney in last night's episode.

Trying to change history when we all saw her begging Lee for nice things and a fabulous wedding.

You were part of the problem, so don't try and dodge it now!
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Old 04-01-2017, 15:20
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I can see botj Lee and Whitney's view. Whitney is great as a character glad she's got airtime
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Old 04-01-2017, 15:44
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I hated Whitney in last night's episode.

Trying to change history when we all saw her begging Lee for nice things and a fabulous wedding.

You were part of the problem, so don't try and dodge it now!
My thoughts exactly. Yes she may have thought he had a good job but she barely works the odd shift and the vic and doesn't contribute.
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Old 04-01-2017, 15:55
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My thoughts exactly. Yes she may have thought he had a good job but she barely works the odd shift and the vic and doesn't contribute.
She works full time in the Vic and has for some time. It's Johnny and Abi that work part time because of other comittments. Not sure about Shirley since she took on Sylvie.
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Old 04-01-2017, 16:29
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I suspect Mick & Linda had some doing in it all too. Knowing how Linda has been with blowing other topics out of all proportion she probably planted the seed that he had a big job in the city and was earning millions. Whilst Lee should have told them all at the time it wouldn't have been that easy, he may struggle giving news like that, not helped with his depression which would have contributed to him not being able to stand up to Whitney and tell her not to keep spending.

Say for example my example is what actually happened, nobody would know anything other than what Linda said, which is him working in the city being paid millions, if he didn't say anything and Linda kept exaggerating, nobody would have any reason to doubt it, especially as what happens outside of 'the square' may as well be happening on another planet. Hopefully now the truth is out it will be good to see Lee & Whitney develop from this (if Lee is still there in a month).

I'll also be interested to see what Mick did to the co-worker/robber after him clearly nursing a cut/bruised knuckle.
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Old 04-01-2017, 16:32
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She is not depicted as working full time in the Vic. She's always lolling about the flat, in her dressing gown, or walking around the square.

Also, even if it were acceptable for her to spend Lee's (lack of ) money without knowing any details of where he works and how much he earns, because "he hasn't corrected her", that still doesn't excuse why she makes plans behind his back, e.g. "Me and Lee have decided to host Xmas this year" when he knew nothing about it.

She begged him for a flat, to host Christmas, for real diamond earrings, and is now demanding he throws his dad "a huge 40th bash".
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Old 04-01-2017, 16:36
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She is not depicted as working full time in the Vic. She's always lolling about the flat, in her dressing gown, or walking around the square..
She's probably just working in the evening, it's not that difficult to understand. Actually most times she's shown working in the Vic is the evenings. And don't forget the weekend exists even if the show rarely is set on the weekend
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Old 04-01-2017, 16:45
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She's probably just working in the evening, it's not that difficult to understand. Actually most times she's shown working in the Vic is the evenings. And don't forget the weekend exists even if the show rarely is set on the weekend
Definitely
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Old 04-01-2017, 16:55
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She is not depicted as working full time in the Vic. She's always lolling about the flat, in her dressing gown, or walking around the square.

Also, even if it were acceptable for her to spend Lee's (lack of ) money without knowing any details of where he works and how much he earns, because "he hasn't corrected her", that still doesn't excuse why she makes plans behind his back, e.g. "Me and Lee have decided to host Xmas this year" when he knew nothing about it.

She begged him for a flat, to host Christmas, for real diamond earrings, and is now demanding he throws his dad "a huge 40th bash".
Her shifts will start in the evening or at lunchtime. And she did not begg him for earnings,he decided to buy them off his own bat, and you don't get diamonds for £60.
I'm not saying he didn't feel under pressure but it was of his own making and he has a habit of shifting the blame like with the Clamydia. Even when he told Whitney that he was involved in the robbery he didn't own up about the debts, he just said that he wanted the guys to like him. I feel for Lee but he can't shift the blame for his behaviour onto others.
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Old 04-01-2017, 17:06
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Her shifts will start in the evening or at lunchtime. And she did not begg him for earnings,he decided to buy them off his own bat, and you don't get diamonds for £60.
I'm not saying he didn't feel under pressure but it was of his own making and he has a habit of shifting the blame like with the Clamydia. Even when he told Whitney that he was involved in the robbery he didn't own up about the debts, he just said that he wanted the guys to like him. I feel for Lee but he can't shift the blame for his behaviour onto others.
She's doing breakfasts now as well.
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Old 04-01-2017, 17:12
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I am not defending Lee but Whitney and the pressure she was causing played a role in his downward spiral.
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Old 04-01-2017, 17:16
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I think Witney is a lovely character and she would love her man with or without a good job but Lee gave her the impression he was earning well. I also think his parents haven't been very perceptive about his state of mind and, if they had less influence or even presence in his life, Witney would have picked up on it.

It's a very believable, eminently human story but it seems Lee is at last going to be truthful. The robbery business was awful (though Lee hadn't intended any big fear or violence), and far fetched but that's soaps, the rest of it is credible.
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Old 04-01-2017, 17:21
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Yeah that pissed me off too. But at least Babe will tell Whitney some home truths soon about how she's ruined Lees life and he wouldn't have done the the things he has done if it wasn't for her.
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Old 04-01-2017, 17:21
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In a way Whitney is right , she never really asked for anything . All she wanted was their own place like most young married couples . And that's a very reasonable request . Lee then got his call center job and let everyone believe he had this high paying job so Whitney's plans got bigger and Lee ,feeling completely inadequate, thought he had to fulfill all these wishes or she'd leave him .
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Old 04-01-2017, 17:23
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She seems to be working full time now, for example doing the breakfast shift, but that is only since Linda went away. Prior to that, including when she was living at the Vic, it did seem like it was only relief shifts. That's certainly what she was offered when she first lost her TA job, Lee asked his parents to give her some work to tide her over which they did as a favour even though they didn't really need her.

I've always been abke to see the argument that she believed he was earning a high salary so there was no issue and she is not at base a materialistic person.

However, I argue that she has never asked him for anything. She has constantly asked, or worse assumed that it was okay to have things. Principally their own flat which she was on about constantly, even before he had received his first salary. She even instructed him to ask for an advance!

And it wasn't just after he got this supposedly well paid job. If you recall, she tried to get one of Jack's flats when he was still working on the fish stall. When he talked about money being short, especially with the wedding coming up, she just replied that they'd find the money, they could do both. Even when the wedding date was suggested, Lee said they wouldn't have the nwcessary money saved by then but Whit insisted they still book it.

She might not have meant to, or even realised she was doing it, but she has been putting oressure on jim for months.
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Old 04-01-2017, 17:25
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Yeah that pissed me off too. But at least Babe will tell Whitney some home truths soon about how she's ruined Lees life and he wouldn't have done the the things he has done if it wasn't for her.
Babe will so LOVE doing that, I can just imagine it. She has done so much evil - to that young couple, Abby, and the Cokers - I don't understand why Mick still tolerates her. Linda would have liked to see the back of her. Good acting though!
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Old 04-01-2017, 17:25
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I am not defending Lee but Whitney and the pressure she was causing played a role in his downward spiral.
It did but she wasn't to know.

Edit - Kitkat has explained it much better
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Old 04-01-2017, 17:32
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I am not defending Lee but Whitney and the pressure she was causing played a role in his downward spiral.
Him not telling her the truth about ANYTHING played a role in his downward spiral.
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