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Old 04-01-2017, 17:37
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In a way Whitney is right , she never really asked for anything . All she wanted was their own place like most young married couples . And that's a very reasonable request . Lee then got his call center job and let everyone believe he had this high paying job so Whitney's plans got bigger and Lee ,feeling completely inadequate, thought he had to fulfill all these wishes or she'd leave him .
Yes, it's perfectly understandable that she wanted their own home. As you say most couples do. But they also mostly realise that it's not possible these days, especially not when on minimum wage jobs which she knew they were when she first started up with it.

Also, she soon fell pregnant. Yes more reason to want their own place but how was it going to be paid for when she'd have to give up the work she dies do to look after the baby? And again, this was before her believing he had a well paid job.

Even when they were trying to get Jack's flat originally, when she was pregnant, all she focussed on was getting the deposit, borrowing etc, with no seeming comprehension that they'd have the same problem finding the rent each month, not to mention utilities, even with two salaries and then more expense once the baby arrived on only one salary.

She has just never been realistic whereas Lee has always worried about it and come to believe that these things Whitney has expressed a desire for, like their own flat, are necessary to keep her happy.

It might seem horrible to say, and probably wouldn't occur to Whit, but even wanting a baby and falling pregnant ramped the financial pressure up on Lee.
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Old 04-01-2017, 17:39
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if she had actually known what was going on things would have been a lot different. Not sure how Whitney is this awful villain when her husband has been lying to her before they even got married. And even when Lee has told her the truth its only been half truths like the vic robbery.
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Old 04-01-2017, 19:08
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I've always hated Whitney, she's always been a spoilt self centred brat and used to have the audacity to call Lucy out for it when she was the embodiment of it.

She's so thick she thinks a guy with zero qualifications could get a flashy job out of the blue in this economy.
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Old 04-01-2017, 19:15
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Her shifts will start in the evening or at lunchtime. And she did not begg him for earnings,he decided to buy them off his own bat, and you don't get diamonds for £60.
I'm not saying he didn't feel under pressure but it was of his own making and he has a habit of shifting the blame like with the Clamydia. Even when he told Whitney that he was involved in the robbery he didn't own up about the debts, he just said that he wanted the guys to like him. I feel for Lee but he can't shift the blame for his behaviour onto others.
ditto.
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Old 04-01-2017, 19:20
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I get that she thought Lee was earning a fantastic wage, what I can't fathom is how she failed to notice that he really wasn't. They appear to have a joint account since she's been spending from it willy nilly, so why hasn't she noticed what is going in and out of it? Or that money is going in from random sources rather than a monthly wage. Does she think they have a self replenishing money tree like the Mitchells?

When she demanded to know when she had EVER asked for any of those things, I swear I saw a naked flame flare up from her knicker area.
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Old 04-01-2017, 19:29
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I get that she thought Lee was earning a fantastic wage, what I can't fathom is how she failed to notice that he really wasn't. They appear to have a joint account since she's been spending from it willy nilly, so why hasn't she noticed what is going in and out of it? Or that money is going in from random sources rather than a monthly wage. Does she think they have a self replenishing money tree like the Mitchells?

When she demanded to know when she had EVER asked for any of those things, I swear I saw a naked flame flare up from her knicker area.
well, Lee was probably getting those ridiculous loans deposited into the account, so she thought that was the wages, he was quite an active participant in the deception of Whit.
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Old 04-01-2017, 19:33
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I didn't have a particular problem with it. Yes, Whitney was asking for those things but then she thought Lee was in a well-paid job and could afford it. He never gave her reason to think otherwise. I don't see her as especially materialistic but she thought Lee had a fantastic job and no reason to believe otherwise. In those circumstances, she's understandably thought they'd moved up in the world. She wouldn't have hankered after the stuff if Lee had been honest from the start.

Sometimes you have to look at a situation from the point of view of the character and what they know, rather than from our position as a viewer who is aware of the bigger picture.
Completely agree. I didn't think twice when she said she had never asked for anything.

Whitney hasn't got a bad bone in her body.
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Old 04-01-2017, 19:37
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well, Lee was probably getting those ridiculous loans deposited into the account, so she thought that was the wages, he was quite an active participant in the deception of Whit.
So she never looks at a bank statement and wonders why Lee's salary is being half paid by ELGE and half by Loans4u?
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Old 04-01-2017, 19:38
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Her shifts will start in the evening or at lunchtime. And she did not begg him for earnings,he decided to buy them off his own bat, and you don't get diamonds for £60.
I'm not saying he didn't feel under pressure but it was of his own making and he has a habit of shifting the blame like with the Clamydia. Even when he told Whitney that he was involved in the robbery he didn't own up about the debts, he just said that he wanted the guys to like him. I feel for Lee but he can't shift the blame for his behaviour onto others.
Exactly. Lee is responsible for his own actions, nobody else

It's so predictable to see Whitney get slagged off on here for Lee's actions, from those who don't like Whitney.
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Old 04-01-2017, 21:09
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What on earth did Whitney want that was so earth shattering? Own rented home with Lee. Invite their families for Christmas dinner. The horror! She was under the impression it as doable because of Lee's lies.
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Old 04-01-2017, 21:39
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I was thinking the exact same thing watching the episode. I can't stand Whitney anymore. She made the pressure on Lee even worse. She put the pressure on him to get a flat. She put the pressure to do this big christmas and presents for Linda insisting they pay. She is a selfish spoilt little girl.
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Old 04-01-2017, 22:05
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So she never looks at a bank statement and wonders why Lee's salary is being half paid by ELGE and half by Loans4u?
She may only go to the atm, to take out cash. My husband never looks at the bank statements, some people don't.
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Old 04-01-2017, 22:07
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What on earth did Whitney want that was so earth shattering? Own rented home with Lee. Invite their families for Christmas dinner. The horror! She was under the impression it as doable because of Lee's lies.


All perfectly normal desires.
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Old 04-01-2017, 22:12
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What on earth did Whitney want that was so earth shattering? Own rented home with Lee. Invite their families for Christmas dinner. The horror! She was under the impression it as doable because of Lee's lies.
See i agree with you
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Old 04-01-2017, 22:17
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Completely agree. I didn't think twice when she said she had never asked for anything.

Whitney hasn't got a bad bone in her body.
Off this topic where I do think there was faukt on both sudes and Whitney didn't realise what she was doing, but I hardly think that you can describe somebody tbat wrote 'rot in hell' on a murdered girls wreath as not having a bad bone in her body.

Yes I know they said that Lucy had been bullying her but somebody without a bad bone in their body would have let it go once the oerson had died. Not felt the need to wish more torment on them.
She's generally a nice girl but let's not pretend she has no faults and is incaoabke of being nasty or neran.
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Old 04-01-2017, 22:26
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She may only go to the atm, to take out cash. My husband never looks at the bank statements, some people don't.
Not a mistake Whit will be making again in a hurry I'm sure
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Old 04-01-2017, 22:34
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What on earth did Whitney want that was so earth shattering? Own rented home with Lee. Invite their families for Christmas dinner. The horror! She was under the impression it as doable because of Lee's lies.
Except wanting the flat started before she believed that he was earning a good wage and he was, at that stage, saying they couldn't afford it.

This didn't onky start after he got tge call centre job.

Aside from that, I don't think anybody is calling her a monster or unreasonabke for desiring their own home or believing they could afford it when Lee didn't tell her otherwise. I'm certainly not.

But, to claim that she never asked for anything when we saw her going on about a glat week after week is a little jaw dropping. It doesn't matter if she believed the money was there, she was still saying she wAnted to move out and nagging him to put down deposits etc and now she says she didn't.

Likewise all the food and presents at Xmas.

Yes, Lee lied to her and that was unfair on her. But she also made his probkems worse by making her desire for a house, nice wedding, food to cook nice neals so apparent. Even though she won't have meant to.

There are no monsters here, they both created this situation.

And sorry, but I find not checking the statements rather off.
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Old 04-01-2017, 22:42
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Except wanting the flat started before she believed that he was earning a good wage and he was, at that stage, saying they couldn't afford it.

This didn't onky start after he got tge call centre job.

Aside from that, I don't think anybody is calling her a monster or unreasonabke for desiring their own home or believing they could afford it when Lee didn't tell her otherwise. I'm certainly not.

But, to claim that she never asked for anything when we saw her going on about a glat week after week is a little jaw dropping. It doesn't matter if she believed the money was there, she was still saying she wAnted to move out and nagging him to put down deposits etc and now she says she didn't.

Likewise all the food and presents at Xmas.

Yes, Lee lied to her and that was unfair on her. But she also made his probkems worse by making her desire for a house, nice wedding, food to cook nice neals so apparent. Even though she won't have meant to.

There are no monsters here, they both created this situation.

And sorry, but I find not checking the statements rather off.
It's perfectly normal to want to live in your own flat with your husband. She wanted to cook food, make dinner for Lee's family who have been so nice to her, welcoming. That's kind. It's a good quality. She wasn't asking or wanting a new car, or expensive holidays.

Lee with his lies is at fault here. I get that he was under pressure and all that, but there's so much unfair blame put on Whitney, when she didnt want or wish for anything extravagant.
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Old 04-01-2017, 23:20
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It's perfectly normal to want to live in your own flat with your husband. She wanted to cook food, make dinner for Lee's family who have been so nice to her, welcoming. That's kind. It's a good quality. She wasn't asking or wanting a new car, or expensive holidays.

Lee with his lies is at fault here. I get that he was under pressure and all that, but there's so much unfair blame put on Whitney, when she didnt want or wish for anything extravagant.
Nobody is saying it isn't normal but equally it isn't always possible. She still expressed that she wanted it, normal or not, and that is what Lee was responding to and she should admit she asked for that rather than ckaiming she never asked gor anything.

Whitney does not deserve all the bkame and I'm yet to see anybody assign it all to her. Everybody sees that Lee should have told her the truth and that he didn't is a major part of the problem and whitney couldn't help what she didn't know about.

But I still very much see it from Lee's position. How trapped he felt, how worthless, how small and powerless. And I do think Whitney, unintentionally, made it much, much worse.

I won't change my mind about that.
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Old 04-01-2017, 23:49
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Off this topic where I do think there was faukt on both sudes and Whitney didn't realise what she was doing, but I hardly think that you can describe somebody tbat wrote 'rot in hell' on a murdered girls wreath as not having a bad bone in her body.

Yes I know they said that Lucy had been bullying her but somebody without a bad bone in their body would have let it go once the oerson had died. Not felt the need to wish more torment on them.
She's generally a nice girl but let's not pretend she has no faults and is incaoabke of being nasty or neran.
I'm not sure I believe what she said about Lucy bullying her. Lucy's not alive to defend herself, so we only have Whitney's word for it. She also had a way of turning things around on her. I remember just before she died, when they were having a girls night with Lauren and Abi at the Brannings', Lucy was complaining about Ian and Whitney said "Well at least you have a dad." Lucy got annoyed at her for acting the victim to get sympathy.

Also, when Lee was hopping between Lee and Whitney, she used Carol's cancer to get closer to him by making him feel bad if he didn't want to be with her.

I don't like Whitney, I do think she has been too pushy with Lee. Yes, she didn't know about his job, but even when Lee did say they couldn't afford the flat when Jack offered it to them, she just brushed it off and said to get an advance when he'd barely been working there for long. She's a fantasist who only sees what she wants to see.
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Old 04-01-2017, 23:54
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Sorry for both of them. So young too, Wit is only 21.
It does seem stupid to want to have a baby so soon, most people wait two or three years, but what guidance do either of them have from parents?

I feel sad that it's all going to fall apart, big time, very soon and they have the potential to be a lovely couple.

Lee is going to break down completely, his pain is palpable, and Witney will be devastated.

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Old Yesterday, 01:21
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I'm not sure I believe what she said about Lucy bullying her. Lucy's not alive to defend herself, so we only have Whitney's word for it. She also had a way of turning things around on her. I remember just before she died, when they were having a girls night with Lauren and Abi at the Brannings', Lucy was complaining about Ian and Whitney said "Well at least you have a dad." Lucy got annoyed at her for acting the victim to get sympathy.

Also, when Lee was hopping between Lee and Whitney, she used Carol's cancer to get closer to him by making him feel bad if he didn't want to be with her.

I don't like Whitney, I do think she has been too pushy with Lee. Yes, she didn't know about his job, but even when Lee did say they couldn't afford the flat when Jack offered it to them, she just brushed it off and said to get an advance when he'd barely been working there for long. She's a fantasist who only sees what she wants to see.
Yes, I agree about the Lucy thing.

Whilst I wouldn't put it past Lucy to have cyber bullied somebody, and of course we have to remember that they were writing everybody so they were a suspect at that time (the rot in hell thing), everything we saw of their interactions showed Whitney as more than capable, and willing, to stand up to Lucy. The thing about having a Dad that you mentioned and also her attitude over Lee. She behaved as though Lucy stole Lee from her and that wasn't what happened at all. Lee flirted with Whitney, then saw Lucy and went after her, and Lucy responded. She didn't know Whitney was invokved at all and they weren't even going out properly. But Whitney seemed to have the attitude that he was hers just because she saw him first.

Frankly I think that alone, that Lee effectively chose Lucy and was with her when she died, would have been enough for Whitney to hate her.

Remember how nasty she was to Carol when that friend of Billys that Whitney fancied slept with her? She was also arsey when she couldn't have Jonny, even though the reason was he was gay.

She's always had this, if I want him, I deserve to have him and anybody that gets in the way is a bitch as I've had such a hard time they should back off attitude.

Yes, I clearly remember the "yes of course you can get an advance, just tell your boss" reply when Lee said they didn't have the money for the flat and that the company wouldn't give him an advance. She also didn't seem to realise that an advance, even if possible, would make the nect month's salary much less so where was the money for that rent, not to mention other stuff. If there had been a line a couple of weeks later of her saying she was being careful as she knew they'd had some of the salaryin advance, I'd give her more leeway, but there wasn't, she just kept spending.

Again, how can she claim she never asked for anything when she told him to get an advance for a flat Lee said they couldn't afford?
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Old Yesterday, 01:35
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Lee's in the wrong here - but with good reason.

Whitney has shown to be overall a loving, caring wife to Lee although she's made a few mistakes herself. I don't get why she gets bashed when she's stuck by him regardless.
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Old Yesterday, 01:41
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Sorry for both of them. So young too, Wit is only 21.
It does seem stupid to want to have a baby so soon, most people wait two or three years, but what guidance do either of them have from parents?

I feel sad that it's all going to fall apart, big time, very soon and they have the potential to be a lovely couple.

Lee is going to break down completely, his pain is palpable, and Witney will be devastated.

Oh boy, soaps.
Hate to be a pedant, but hasn't Whitney just turned 24? Her birthday is just before the Beale twins who were born 9th Dec 93, so are (or would have been) 23 and I think she is a year older.

Lee is about the same I think.

Still young though but as you say, they both come from families who had kids young. Not of legal age in many cases.
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Old Yesterday, 01:44
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Nobody is saying it isn't normal but equally it isn't always possible. She still expressed that she wanted it, normal or not, and that is what Lee was responding to and she should admit she asked for that rather than ckaiming she never asked gor anything.

Whitney does not deserve all the bkame and I'm yet to see anybody assign it all to her. Everybody sees that Lee should have told her the truth and that he didn't is a major part of the problem and whitney couldn't help what she didn't know about.

But I still very much see it from Lee's position. How trapped he felt, how worthless, how small and powerless. And I do think Whitney, unintentionally, made it much, much worse.

I won't change my mind about that.
i will cop to that but she had wanted to move into a flat they could afford in another town (can't remember where!) They only moved into the branning living room when Lee got his job and linda pressured them to stay closer to home
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