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Old 04-01-2017, 18:02
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Hannah Thompson ‏@H_L_Thompson · 6 Oct 2016

@jeremycorbyn @JoStevensLabour Jeremy I hate to break it to you but you're not a proud Welshwoman



Poor old sod can't do right for doing wrong can he
Damn! I was going to vote for him just because he was a man Will now have to have a rethunk:
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Old 04-01-2017, 18:07
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Its obvious he was referring to Jo Stevens being welsh!

As for not being able to do anything right, it was pressure from Labour that got the Tories to stop the tax credits cuts though they are now doing it on Universal Credit instead and it stopped them doing further cuts to Police numbers. Labour have been proved right that you can't cut your way out of deficit/recession either. Any more proof you want in how wrong you've got it?!
Of course it was obvious it is just people having a laugh I think even Corbyn might get that even if you cannot .
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Old 04-01-2017, 18:23
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The likes of Maggie made me ashamed to be a woman, and I could fully agree with the sentiment of if that's what a woman leading the country is capable of, then God helps us!
I am not a Tory supporter, and never have been. I was prepared to give Theresa May the benefit of the doubt, but in my opinion she is continuing where Maggie left off. Her behaviour over the Brexit situation has reduced us to a laughing stock, and has shown that she isn't to be depended on or trusted to get the job done.
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Old 04-01-2017, 18:25
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The likes of Maggie made me ashamed to be a woman, and I could fully agree with the sentiment of if that's what a woman leading the country is capable of, then God helps us!
I am not a Tory supporter, and never have been. I was prepared to give Theresa May the benefit of the doubt, but in my opinion she is continuing where Maggie left off. Her behaviour over the Brexit situation has reduced us to a laughing stock, and has shown that she isn't to be depended on or trusted to get the job done.
I suspect that the problem wasn't that they are/were both women, but that they are both Tories!

However, I've also felt the same way as your bits in bold!
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Old 04-01-2017, 18:42
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I suspect that the problem wasn't that they are/were both women, but that they are both Tories!

However, I've also felt the same way as your bits in bold!


Muggins, genuine question, as a left leaner do you have a theory why Labour have never elected a female leader while the Tories have been gender blind and Liberal enough to vote for a woman twice, despite Labour being awash with active feminists yet Tory active feminists being like rocking horse sh!t? You would think it would be Labour leading the way instead of dragging their feet.
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Old 04-01-2017, 18:57
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Hannah Thompson ‏@H_L_Thompson · 6 Oct 2016

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Poor old sod can't do right for doing wrong can he
Well, it was bloody obvious what he meant. But the slightest inconsistency or ambiguity, and people will be all over it like a rash.
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Old 04-01-2017, 19:03
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Muggins, genuine question, as a left leaner do you have a theory why Labour have never elected a female leader while the Tories have been gender blind and Liberal enough to vote for a woman twice, despite Labour being awash with active feminists yet Tory active feminists being like rocking horse sh!t? You would think it would be Labour leading the way instead of dragging their feet.
To be honest, no I don't have a theory except that, in the end, it comes down to personality and what the candidates were saying to people, surely? There were women up for leader of the Labour party in 2015 but they obviously weren't voted in. They were more centre of the left and Corbyn was appealing to a lot of people disillusioned with the same-old same-old Tory light as some call it. Despite many saying his politics are old-fashioned, to a lot of people it was new, honest and refreshing in comparison to the rest.

I voted for him (in 2015) - I'd never have voted for a woman just because she was a woman. I would have voted for him if he were female
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Old 04-01-2017, 19:04
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Muggins, genuine question, as a left leaner do you have a theory why Labour have never elected a female leader while the Tories have been gender blind and Liberal enough to vote for a woman twice, despite Labour being awash with active feminists yet Tory active feminists being like rocking horse sh!t? You would think it would be Labour leading the way instead of dragging their feet.
I can give you an answer to that if you like...
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Old 04-01-2017, 19:06
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I can give you an answer to that if you like...
The floor is yours.😊
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Old 04-01-2017, 19:30
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Becasue the ones putting themselves forward were not good enough and or had the wrong policies. Margaret Becket was not strong enough nor good enough imo in 1994 to become Labour leader and I thought she was making a mistake going for the leadership and thus losing her Deputy Labour leader position too as a result as it seems she had to vacate that position to run for leader and John Prescot won that position instead.

Then we had Blair from 94-2007 and no one else stood against Gordon Brown, I think there was a few (men) who tried but none of them secured enough votes to stand in the leadership race. In 2010 Harriet Harman was strong enough and to a large extent good enough but she didn't stand for the leaders position and didn't do so again in 2015. Liz Kendal wanted Labour to be Tory Lite again and kept on asking other candidates "What areas do you agree with the Tories on"! (any wonder why she only got 4.5% for?!) and when Angela Eagle tried to stand but then dropped out so Owen Smith could run, I could tell she wouldn't have won because of the way she was going about it, trying to oust Corbyn rather than standing when there was a vacancy.

I thought Andy Burnham was the strongest candidate in 2015 but no way could I have voted for him as he was a uber Blairite under Blair, he voted for the Iraq war and didn't batter an eyelid in closing A+E/Maternity Units while he was Health Minister all because Blair had decided "Super Hospitals" were the way forward. "Super Hospitals" were 1 or 2 maximum hospitals with full services per counties and or large catchment areas and local General Hospitals lost their A+E/Maternity Units. It wasn't popular and cost Labour lots of seats too.
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Old 04-01-2017, 19:44
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I meant to add, I also wouldn't have voted for any of the other 3 in the 2015 Labour leadership election because they all abstained in the Welfare Bill vote.
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Old 04-01-2017, 19:47
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Old 04-01-2017, 20:37
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No women I know support her because she's a woman.
Obviously some of the electorate aren't interested in politics and have their own reasons to support a person/party but having a Tory woman as PM doesn't feel like much of a win for most women I know.
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Old 04-01-2017, 20:47
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So for nearly 40 yrs even though they have massive numbers of feminists and quotas and positive discrimination coming out of their ears they haven't produced a woman good enough or willing (Harman) to take it on and yet the Tories resplendent with reactionary misogynist old right wingers have twice?
What does it say about the party? Surely there must be more to it than that?
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Old 04-01-2017, 20:52
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I can only think of like one or maybe two women I know who'd ever support a Tory full stop.
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Old 04-01-2017, 20:57
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I would never support a Conservative no matter what they have down there
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Old 04-01-2017, 20:58
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As a female, I would hope that those women who are in a position of power within our government were chosen because they are good at what they do, not because they are women.

As we know, nobody ever elected Theresa May.

ETA: I do support Mhairi Black though - because I like what she stands for, her passion for those she represents and belief in fairness. She just happens to be a woman but that's not why I like her.
I would to, but I don't think it's ridiculous for people to want a diversity of views and experiences represented in the government, and I typically will favor underrepresented groups when experience and expertise is roughly equal.
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Old 04-01-2017, 20:59
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Makes you wonder how the Tories ever win an election

Someone must be voting for them !
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Old 04-01-2017, 21:09
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Makes you wonder how the Tories ever win an election

Someone must be voting for them !
Men and women, the ones who want to benefit from inequality.
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Old 04-01-2017, 21:18
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So for nearly 40 yrs even though they have massive numbers of feminists and quotas and positive discrimination coming out of their ears they haven't produced a woman good enough or willing (Harman) to take it on and yet the Tories resplendent with reactionary misogynist old right wingers have twice?
What does it say about the party? Surely there must be more to it than that?
They could always have Diane Abbot
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Old 04-01-2017, 22:11
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So for nearly 40 yrs even though they have massive numbers of feminists and quotas and positive discrimination coming out of their ears they haven't produced a woman good enough or willing (Harman) to take it on and yet the Tories resplendent with reactionary misogynist old right wingers have twice?
What does it say about the party? Surely there must be more to it than that?
Nope I don't think there is. I don't rate Theresa May either. I think she is only liked because people know she stands for trying to make immigration rules harder and has done for non EU citizens bigtime even though the numbers have risen but mainly on visas for up to 5 years at a time. Non EU people aside, most people coming here are not given permanent visas or british passports.
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Old 04-01-2017, 23:06
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I'm not, I'm supporting her because she's the PM.
Wow ... sheep alert!

I am a woman and I do not support May. It has nothing to do with her being a man or a woman, more because she seems a nasty piece of work who is also incompetent. She has been given a very important task - negotiate Brexit - but seems to be unable to steer the ship in any sort of competent way. She reads out scripts and looks stern, but it's all a front. Luckily for her, the MSM is almost 100% behind her.
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Old Yesterday, 00:22
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I would to, but I don't think it's ridiculous for people to want a diversity of views and experiences represented in the government, and I typically will favor underrepresented groups when experience and expertise is roughly equal.
Yes, I agree with you on that. Diversity is important. It's one reason I'm baffled by those who favour the right when they express so much pleasure at the mess the Labour party has become, when really even a die-hard right-winger should fervently wish for a decent opposition to the ruling party (whichever party it may be at the time).

It is necessary to have opposition, it enables a diversity of opinion and holds the powers that be to account, if the opposition is being provided of course! It's the same with male/female, people of different races, backgrounds, from different areas of the country, etc. A good mix, a diverse range of opinions and views is vital. It holds people to account and represents a wider range of the voting public.
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I think she is only liked because people know she stands for trying to make immigration rules harder and has done for non EU citizens bigtime even though the numbers have risen but mainly on visas for up to 5 years at a time.
So it's nothing to do with her being a woman then? Sheesh. You could have answered your own question there, really.
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So it's nothing to do with her being a woman then? Sheesh. You could have answered your own question there, really.
No that was referring to those who generally like her, people of both sexes, the MP's that supported her and those in the media.
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