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The Law covers enclosed spaces.
Private Property is covered by any rules the owner fancies. Stations, hospitals, airports etc are private and the owners can create a rule if they so choose. If you don't like it, then don't go there. Why some people can't accept this, I don't know (the majority do). Most of the facilities above do actually provide areas for smokers, although they may not always be that convenient. |
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Hospitals are a strange one.
Should NHS hospitals provide outside smoking areas considering they treat people with illnesses caused by smoking, and perhaps should not be 'encouraging' bad habits? Its a bit like NHS medical staff - should they be seen to be smoking, or be overweight for that matter given that both can be very damaging to health and they ought to set an example themselves if they're doling out advice and treatment. |
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Smokers ignoring these notices proves that smoking causes selective word blindness.
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This is it ^
Stations, hospitals, airports etc are private and the owners can create a rule if they so choose. If you don't like it, then don't go there. Why some people can't accept this, I don't know (the majority do). Most of the facilities above do actually provide areas for smokers, although they may not always be that convenient. |
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The Law covers enclosed spaces.
Private Property is covered by any rules the owner fancies. |
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I don't think railway stations are privately owned. Railway infrastructure is owned by Network Rail, a government organisation.
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But that is my point. A fully enclosed space (4 walls and a ceiling) is clear and unambiguous. But the station platform in question is not enclosed. It is open to the elements. However to get to the platform you enter a door, through a partial building, a turnstile and down some steps before emerging out of doors again. But presumably because you pass through an indoor entrance way Network Rail or whoever deem it to be inside - inside their space.
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Pretty unenforceable though.
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Most laws are until you get caught and issued with a fine.
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Hospitals are a strange one.
Should NHS hospitals provide outside smoking areas considering they treat people with illnesses caused by smoking, and perhaps should not be 'encouraging' bad habits? Its a bit like NHS medical staff - should they be seen to be smoking, or be overweight for that matter given that both can be very damaging to health and they ought to set an example themselves if they're doling out advice and treatment. |
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No-one can fine you because they made up a rule on their property.
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Whatever British Transport Police wish to do with you then, or in the case or other locations, removed from their property.
You could be asked to leave if you smoked say in the car park of a no smoking site, but they couldn't fine you. |
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Why would BTP get involved?
You could be asked to leave if you smoked say in the car park of a no smoking site, but they couldn't fine you. Other private locations would just ask you to leave. |
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Because in the case of railways, their byelaws are fully enforceable.
Other private locations would just ask you to leave. I have heard it argued that smoking in hospital grounds in contravention of their 'rules' could constitute a breech of the peace or some such law and justify police action but in reality the Police are not going to give a smoking related incident any priority. |
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I think that most smokers will always smoke wherever the hell they want, regardless of any No Smoking signs.
I often go into town to help my mother with the shopping and there are always large groups of smokers stood outside the main precinct, puffing away and creating huge clouds of filth in the process. You should see the looks that they give you if you cough or wave your arms around to dispel the smoke. I have never smoked myself and I think it is a filthy habit. Mind you, I have asthma, so smoking would not be a good idea. My dad smoked heavily for most of his life, though and he recently died from lung cancer, as a result of this. He basically contributed towards his own ill health and death, as do most other smokers and he remained in denial about this until the day that he died. Mum and I run the gauntlet of "The Smoke" whenever we walk into or out of the shopping centre. We call it Lung Cancer Avenue, in fact, lol. Still, I guess that it keeps the Macmillan Nurses and the cancer wards in hospitals in work. My dad was the only one in my immediate family that smoked and he paid a heavy price for it. So, I have no sympathy for smokers at all. They made that choice to wreck their own health and so they must accept the consequences of their own actions. They have no one to blame for their health issues but themselves. So, in reponse to the thread title, I guess that smokers will carry on smoking, because there is no one around to stop them and they know that they are relatively safe from prosecution. No one would be brave enough to confront a smoker face to face. I know that I certainly wouldn't. |
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That sounds right to me. Places like pubs however have a better chance of enforcing a ban than say a Hospital. The pub can refuse to serve you what can a Hospital do?
I have heard it argued that smoking in hospital grounds in contravention of their 'rules' could constitute a breech of the peace or some such law and justify police action but in reality the Police are not going to give a smoking related incident any priority. |
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Where I work the whole site is no smoking, there are signs up everywhere including on the wall outside the main entrance, yet everyday we get visitors who light up and smoke underneath these very signs. Smokers are selfish people who don't care what the rules are or what effect their filthy habit may have on other people.
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I am a smoker and I have no issue with the smoking ban at all.
What annoys me though is the pettiness of some rules in relation to smoking outside and the hysterical over reactions of some non smokers The situation at the railway station as one person mentioned here is a prime example of the pettiness I mean. |
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That sounds right to me. Places like pubs however have a better chance of enforcing a ban than say a Hospital. The pub can refuse to serve you what can a Hospital do?
I have heard it argued that smoking in hospital grounds in contravention of their 'rules' could constitute a breech of the peace or some such law and justify police action but in reality the Police are not going to give a smoking related incident any priority. If you are a visitor, I guess that they could ask you to leave, but in the case of patients they are likely stuck with you. It's probably easier for them to provide a smoking area away from doors or windows and enforce its use the best they can. |
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But that is my point. A fully enclosed space (4 walls and a ceiling) is clear and unambiguous. But the station platform in question is not enclosed. It is open to the elements. However to get to the platform you enter a door, through a partial building, a turnstile and down some steps before emerging out of doors again. But presumably because you pass through an indoor entrance way Network Rail or whoever deem it to be inside - inside their space.
There is also the issue of it being a place of work ETA: You mentioned airports - I know Gatwick (according to my brother) has a smoking area, as does Bristol as I made good use of it to vape when I was there in the summer. |
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Like bus shelters, outside stations and airports there are usually loads of very clear signs. But smokers just flounce these and light up where they like.
It's horrible for us non smokers that have to wait for a late bus for over an hour and constantly breath in smoke. Couldn't move far away else the bus might quickly come and I could miss it ![]() |
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I think the number of adult smokers in the UK is reducing. They are literally a dying breed.
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I agree with the sign ignoring but nobody is forcing you to stand among smoke at a bus shelter for over an hour.
Let's face it, some people - smokers or not, are inconsiderate, some aren't. |
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Our hospital made a big hoohah several years ago, about going smoke-free inside and outside on the premises, they caved last year and installed two smoking areas outside because it was obvious people were going to smoke outside by the door, so giving them a smoking area again at least meant they would stick to an area away from the main entrance.
Apart from the very last line (in Signage. And that's not clear either), I'm really not sure their current No Smoking Policy is anything more than an aspiration. I always find an out of the way place, away from non-smokers, and dispose of my butts responsibly anyway. |
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