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Actually I think this simple scenario sums up 21st century PC'ness pretty nicely.
A gay mans right to sleep in your bed over-rides your right to choose who sleeps in your bed. |
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From that transcript of the conversation it sounds like Austin may have said that he wants/fancies Ray J at some point in the house...which is why Stacy is querying why Ray won't sleep with Brandon but will sleep with Austin (someone that fancies him). I don't see any issue with what Stacey said, and I'm gay myself. I think it's a storm in a teacup and I think it's just typical BB production, not showing us a previous conversation which may have lead to this.
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I do find the use of the term 'boy' disrespectful. Within many of the black communites, to call someone a 'boy' is extremely offensive. In fact there's been a number of court cases (in the USA) in relation to the use of this word in various discrimination cases
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She'd be the first to jump up and down if Ray J was referred to as 'the black boy'.
I'm strongly disliking her, thus far, |
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Actually I think this simple scenario sums up 21st century PC'ness pretty nicely.
A gay mans right to sleep in your bed over-rides your right to choose who sleeps in your bed. |
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Actually I think this simple scenario sums up 21st century PC'ness pretty nicely.
A gay mans right to sleep in your bed over-rides your right to choose who sleeps in your bed. It was the fact someone implied that Ray should presumably have a problem with it because the sleeping partner is homosexual. And then using the phrase 'the gay boy' which, especially in America, is a derogatory phrase. It was used to single him out as a minority. As would a room full of white people calling someone 'the black boy'. Maybe PC has evolved drastically over the years due to the many years of hate and discrimination minority groups have faced and to perhaps help prevent stereotyping and bullying prevailed from ignorant bigots. |
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Scientologists hate gay people? No-one bats an eyelid.
I know another faith that throws them off buildings, but name them and you'll be called a racist, xenophobic bigot.
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Imagine calling a boy who is gay a gay boy!
What ever next. |
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Very ridiculous statement, it had nothing to do with having a right to choose with who sleeps in your bed. No one was forcing Ray J to sleep in the bed with him. He said he was alright to do so.
It was the fact someone implied that Ray should presumably have a problem with it because the sleeping partner is homosexual. And then using the phrase 'the gay boy' which, especially in America, is a derogatory phrase. It was used to single him out as a minority. As would a room full of white people calling someone 'the black boy'. Maybe PC has evolved drastically over the years due to the many years of hate and discrimination minority groups have faced and to perhaps help prevent stereotyping and bullying prevailed from ignorant bigots. I mean, of course people do use that phrase as a pejorative, and not just homophobes saying it to homosexuals but kids saying it to other kids in the schoolyard, regardless of sexual orientation, as if the accusation of being gay is itself derogatory. This clearly isn't that. I watched it about 10 times trying to write that transcript. She was talking calmly, trying to confirm what she thought James was saying, since he and Coleen kept using the word 'he' interchangeably for different people. There's nothing at all homophobic about wondering whether somebody else might not want to share his bed with a gay man. I can say "gay man", right? |
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#135 |
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Imagine calling a boy who is gay a gay boy!
What ever next. |
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It was used to single him out, certainly, but not "as a minority". She wanted to specify who she was talking about (and seemed to forget his name) but she was wasn't ostracizing him in any way or turning it into an 'us and them' thing. He wasn't even there to hear her say it, so it wasn't that derogatory was it?
I mean, of course people do use that phrase as a pejorative, and not just homophobes saying it to homosexuals but kids saying it to other kids in the schoolyard, regardless of sexual orientation, as if the accusation of being gay is itself derogatory. This clearly isn't that. I watched it about 10 times trying to write that transcript. She was talking calmly, trying to confirm what she thought James was saying, since he and Coleen kept using the word 'he' interchangeably for different people. There's nothing at all homophobic about wondering whether somebody else might not want to share his bed with a gay man. I can say "gay man", right? |
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It was used to single him out, certainly, but not "as a minority". She wanted to specify who she was talking about (and seemed to forget his name) but she was wasn't ostracizing him in any way or turning it into an 'us and them' thing. He wasn't even there to hear her say it, so it wasn't that derogatory was it?
I mean, of course people do use that phrase as a pejorative, and not just homophobes saying it to homosexuals but kids saying it to other kids in the schoolyard, regardless of sexual orientation, as if the accusation of being gay is itself derogatory. This clearly isn't that. I watched it about 10 times trying to write that transcript. She was talking calmly, trying to confirm what she thought James was saying, since he and Coleen kept using the word 'he' interchangeably for different people. There's nothing at all homophobic about wondering whether somebody else might not want to share his bed with a gay man. I can say "gay man", right? |
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she just can't remember the names yet, in another scene she referred to James J as "knob boy"
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Imagine calling a boy who is gay a gay boy!
What ever next. |
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Please bear with me, I am old and struggle to keep up with this generation perpetual state of offence.
Is it offensive to call a gay boy a gay boy now? What are we allowed to call him? A homosexual adolescent? Austin isn't an adolescent so that wouldn't make much sense. He is a man not a boy. |
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