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He served 7 years, for beheading someone.
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I'm not one of these trigger-happy "shut down the borders quickly! Run, children, run!" types, but there's do denying it - this was gross negligence. Absolutely absurd.
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No doubt the bleeding hearts will be along to explain why his human rights are more important than those who encounter him. This quote says it all really - Quote:
Simon Blackford, defending, said there was a ‘long gap’ between the murder and the latest offences.
He said: ‘This offence was committed at a time of stress for my client. He was in a foreign country. He seems to have been vulnerable. He seems to have been hallucinating. ‘He was very confused by the vehicles driving on a different side of the road than he was used to.’ |
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No doubt the bleeding hearts will be along to explain why his human rights are more important than those who encounter him.
This quote says it all really - |
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TBF that is his job as defence he may not even agree with it but has to spout BS just like all defence Lawyers even if they know their client is guilty.
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This quote says it all really -
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Simon Blackford, defending, said there was a ‘long gap’ between the murder and the latest offences. That's what caught my eye. One sick individual that should be sectioned and put in a place like Broadmoor for the safety of the general public.He said: ‘This offence was committed at a time of stress for my client. He was in a foreign country. He seems to have been vulnerable. He seems to have been hallucinating. ‘He was very confused by the vehicles driving on a different side of the road than he was used to.’ Quote:
‘He was very confused by the vehicles driving on a different side of the road than he was used to.’
That has to be near the top in the list of lamest excuses.
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He served 7 years, for beheading someone.
![]() What? How can you only get 7 years for that? |
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Simon Blackford, defending, said there was a ‘long gap’ between the murder and the latest offences. Not good enough. After finding out that he decapitated a Dutch woman who was his tenant, telling me that he was just confused because of which side of the road cars drive before he attacked someone else is no excuse at all.He said: ‘This offence was committed at a time of stress for my client. He was in a foreign country. He seems to have been vulnerable. He seems to have been hallucinating. ‘He was very confused by the vehicles driving on a different side of the road than he was used to.’ He was an EU national. He should be held to the same standards as everybody else. Look, we know that this was a bad guy, but I have even more anger for these people who act as the enablers for these sorts of people by using wishy washy pathetic excuses where they paint them as victims. It makes me sick. People are murdered, injured, and attacked despite European populations having well meaning intentions, and in a way because they have this well meaning tolerant mindset. And so often the authorities treat the attackers like children who aren't responsible for their own actions. |
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Just the other day a Jihad with previous links to Osama Bin Laden was granted stay in the UK because being sent back to Afghanistan would affect his mental health. He's now doing a Open Uni degree. Yay.
Also I don't know if it was ever mentioned on the news but a man who witnessed the beheading of Lee Rigby hanged himself because it had affected him. Why was no one concerned about his mental health? It all makes me sick. |
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Let out after 7 years? He beheaded a woman. God only knows what he's got away with. There was a thread on missing people recently. People like him are likely to have committed other crimes that they've got away with. He shouldn't be here but people on the left accuse concerned British people of being "spooked by foreigners" or of being racist. It's a ridiculous state of affairs. He should have been locked up for life and never allowed to come here but we don't have access to the history of foreign criminals entering Britain given to us. That has to change. We should have stricter border controls like America.
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Perhaps lily allen can let him move in with her.
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Perhaps lily allen can let him move in with her.
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TBF that is his job as defence he may not even agree with it but has to spout BS just like all defence Lawyers even if they know their client is guilty.
It's part of what being British is supposed to mean. |
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But they don't know he's guilty. He's not guilty until/unless he is convicted by a court. And yes, everyone is entitled to a legal defence. That's the way our country's legal system is supposed to operate. Everyone is innocent until proven guilty.
It's part of what being British is supposed to mean. |
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The answer of how he was allowed in the UK is given in the story: Quote:
"European countries have no obligation to alert the UK about convictions of murderers or sex offenders, meaning many are able to travel to the UK unhindered. "
Are you seriously suggesting that border agency staff check the history of every single person travelling in to the UK? Good luck with that, you'll effectively close the boarders to all travellers as it would take hours for each person, and that's presuming that records exist for non-EU travellers. Or would you just like them to check the people that "look a bit foreign" ? Hmmm.... no racial profiling there then. There's also the issue of crime and punishment. I was under the impression that once someone has served their term and been deemed fit to rejoin society that they were allowed to move around freely. Is that not correct in normal circumstances? Or do you feel that they should forever be the pariah for their crimes? The truth of this story is simple. There really should be some way to flag people with a violent past in the same way that those with a history of drug convictions are flagged when they're travelling. I know that goes against what I said about being a pariah, but there it is. Second, had there not been the incident at the airport then no-one would have been any the wiser and this guy would have come and gone (I hope) without incident; and that probably happens for other travellers every day of the year. You're only hearing about this because the guy went nuts with a hammer, so I do wonder whether he should have been out of Dutch prison and walking around at all? That's a matter for the Dutch authorities. |
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No doubt the bleeding hearts will be along to explain why his human rights are more important than those who encounter him.
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This is why we need to get out of the EU, as they are completely losing the plot.Why in the name of God and Jesus Christ, was he allowed out after 7 years, when he's beheaded someone? It's literally beyond my comprehension. |
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I very much doubt it. Human rights is not the issue here.
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This is DS, of course it's the issue!
![]() As for the original point, I am a 'bleeding heart liberal leftie' and whatever other names some posters wish to use as slurs but I don't agree with what this man has done nor would I care about his human rights. I also don't see what can be done though, as said above every single person coming into the UK cannot be checked. |
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I suspect James meant even though a lawyer knew that their client had done it.
The whole point of our jury based legal system is to leave the decision up to the jury. A good lawyer will ignore their own 'verdict'. A good lawyer will understand that almost no-one (maybe not even the defendant in some cases) knows the truth. There is almost never certainty in law. That's why we have devised a system where a group of people attempt to come to a consensus. We hope that 12 people all discussing the same evidence can come close to a correct result. Because we know even that's not fallible we further weight the odds in favour of an 'innocent' verdict. That results in two important principals: * Innocent until proven guilty in court. and * We Accept that a few guilty people will go free in order to avoid convicting innocent people. Paramount to both those rules is fair and impartial legal representation. |
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There's also the issue of crime and punishment. I was under the impression that once someone has served their term and been deemed fit to rejoin society that they were allowed to move around freely.
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This is why we need to get out of the EU, as they are completely losing the plot.
Why in the name of God and Jesus Christ, was he allowed out after 7 years, when he's beheaded someone? It's literally beyond my comprehension. In the UK you can get longer sentences than 7 years for fraud. http://www.marymonson.co.uk/useful-i...fraud-offence/ Benefit Fraud: Quote:
The theoretical maximum sentences are 10 and 7 years
Beheading somebody: 7 years.
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The sooner we leave the EU the better. We can then re-establish border controls and keep these undesirable people out of our county.
This is why people voted to leave. It's not about the money, it's about having effective control of our borders and keeping such undesirable people out. |
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The sooner we leave the EU the better. We can then re-establish border controls and keep these undesirable people out of our county.
This is why people voted to leave. It's not about the money, it's about having effective control of our borders and keeping such undesirable people out. |
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