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Old Yesterday, 09:05
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As a remainer I am a little mystified as to what I am supposed to do as part of the 'call to unity' post Brexit.

If we'd had a national referendum on hanging, and it was to be reintroduced, would I be expected to stop fighting for what I believe to be right? Surely I would continue trying to persuade people they had made a mistake?

It's all very well for politicians to feel they are bound by a majority referendum - but what it's supposed to mean for me I've no idea. Surely the fight has to go on.
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Old Yesterday, 09:09
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Of course it does.

There HAS to be a referendum on the result of the negotiations. The claim by so many Brexit extremists that the slender majority was a clear mandate for the hardest of Brexits has to be shown for the bullshit it is. On their logic, we might as well make the next general election the last one. What ever is decided must pertain forever.
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Old Yesterday, 09:11
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Need to worry when the authoritarian traits wander into preventing freedom of speech. The more government attempts to suppress the louder the calls will be. UK will not succumb our proud history will prevail.
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Old Yesterday, 09:14
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So had remain won the referendum you would have been supporting convinced Brexiters determined to continue the battle would you? Oh look ... a flying pig!
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Old Yesterday, 09:20
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So had remain won the referendum you would have been supporting convinced Brexiters determined to continue the battle would you? Oh look ... a flying pig!
Of course I wouldn't be supporting them, as their deluded vision is a catastrophe for the country. I would support their right to argue for it, however.

After all, we all know what Farage famously said way back about a 52/48 Remain result, don't we
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Old Yesterday, 09:20
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So had remain won the referendum you would have been supporting convinced Brexiters determined to continue the battle would you? Oh look ... a flying pig!
You mean just a continuation of the jingoistic braying of the years 1975-2016?

It hasn't even paused for breath since June 23rd.
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Old Yesterday, 09:27
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Old Yesterday, 09:29
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I'm not really sure what it means either - the whole point of our democracy is that we argue our points of view and criticise when others are making mistakes. I wouldn't want our political classes to just sit back and let Theresa May go ahead with her own personal version of Brexit.

Saying that, I personally think that a referendum result should be respected as something different to the normal workings of politics. A decision has been made, we might disagree with it, but we should accept it and move on.
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Old Yesterday, 09:31
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Of course it does.

There HAS to be a referendum on the result of the negotiations. The claim by so many Brexit extremists that the slender majority was a clear mandate for the hardest of Brexits has to be shown for the bullshit it is. On their logic, we might as well make the next general election the last one. What ever is decided must pertain forever.
Brexit 'extremists'?

What are they doing for them to be described as extremists?
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Old Yesterday, 09:33
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For me it means accepting the result and hoping for the best outcome for us all.
As an aside I find it hard to understand why some of my fellow remainers still think that referendums are a good idea. To my mind the EU one proved the opposite.
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Old Yesterday, 09:34
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You mean just a continuation of the jingoistic braying of the years 1975-2016?

It hasn't even paused for breath since June 23rd.
I don't mean anything of the sort. As a Brexiter I don't think I've been jingoistic, neither are most people on DS ...... or for that matter are most of those leading the Bremain campaign.
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Old Yesterday, 09:35
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So had remain won the referendum you would have been supporting convinced Brexiters determined to continue the battle would you? Oh look ... a flying pig!
That's not the question being asked here -

it is

As a remainer I am a little mystified as to what I am supposed to do as part of the 'call to unity' post Brexit..
I, too, am utterly mystified as to why it is presumed that, on the outcome a narrow margin in a suspect vote, I am to drop all my lifelong beliefs in international co-operation, the ability of world citizens to move where they want and, above all, a substantial reduction in the risk of conflict and war.

I commend the cartoon in today's Guardian to all readers here.
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Old Yesterday, 09:36
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I don't mean anything of the sort. As a Brexiter I don't think I've been jingoistic, neither are most people on DS ...... or for that matter are most of those leading the Bremain campaign.
By their very nature, they are the most jingoistic of jingoists.

The whole thing is one grotesque parade of jingoism.
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Old Yesterday, 09:37
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Brexit 'extremists'?
What are they doing for them to be described as extremists?
Cheerfully calling for something that will devastate the country's economy and ruin young peoples' future.
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Old Yesterday, 09:39
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Hard Unity? Soft Unity? Or Red, White and Blue Unity?
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Old Yesterday, 09:40
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[quote=trevgo;85057787]Of course I wouldn't be supporting them, as their deluded vision is a catastrophe for the country. I would support their right to argue for it, however.
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I bet in the parallel universe in which Bremain won the referendum the remainists are telling the leavers to: shut up! We're staying in the EU. Live with it. Oh, and prime minister Cameron is calling for unity!
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Old Yesterday, 09:40
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Of course it does.

There HAS to be a referendum on the result of the negotiations. The claim by so many Brexit extremists that the slender majority was a clear mandate for the hardest of Brexits has to be shown for the bullshit it is. On their logic, we might as well make the next general election the last one. What ever is decided must pertain forever.
How would that work?

The Government goes to the country with the result of the negotiations, after 2 years hard slog squeezing the best deal they can from the EU, and the country says "No" because -

1) They didn't want to leave in the first place, so they're not agreeing to anything.
2) The deal isn't hard enough.
3) The deal isn't soft enough.

They can't go back and start again, the negotiations are over. We're out with no deal. How is that going to do any good for anyone?
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Old Yesterday, 09:43
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How would that work?

The Government goes to the country with the result of the negotiations, after 2 years hard slog squeezing the best deal they can from the EU, and the country says "No" because -

1) They didn't want to leave in the first place, so they're not agreeing to anything.
2) The deal isn't hard enough.
3) The deal isn't soft enough.

They can't go back and start again, the negotiations are over. We're out with no deal. How is that going to do any good for anyone?
Good question.
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Old Yesterday, 09:46
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Cheerfully calling for something that will devastate the country's economy and ruin young peoples' future.
Don't you just love the hyperbole?
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Old Yesterday, 09:48
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Another referendum would be irrelevant even if it could be made workable.
Once a deal is done it has to be ratified by all the other EU national parliaments, any one of which could stop it dead in its tracks. What we voters and MPs think of it would matter not one tiny bit.
Its called taking back control.
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Old Yesterday, 09:50
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Cheerfully calling for something that will devastate the country's economy and ruin young peoples' future.
How is it going to devastate the country's economy?
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Old Yesterday, 09:52
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How would that work?

The Government goes to the country with the result of the negotiations, after 2 years hard slog squeezing the best deal they can from the EU, and the country says "No" because -

1) They didn't want to leave in the first place, so they're not agreeing to anything.
2) The deal isn't hard enough.
3) The deal isn't soft enough.

They can't go back and start again, the negotiations are over. We're out with no deal. How is that going to do any good for anyone?
The whole situation changes when ECJ rules that article 50 can be untriggered.

You then have Tories going to Parliament with 'their' deal. Parliament can vote it down as not good enough. Vote of no confidence in the government. General Election on the deal. You could have Tories going for second referendum but I doubt it.

Tories manifesto on accepting deal.
UKIP manifesto on rejecting deal and falling out of EU.
SNP/Lib Dems manifesto on rejecting deal / untriggering article 50 and remaining in EU.
Labour manifesto on staying in single market/customs union (EEA). Ie renegotiate the deal after untriggering article 50 for a period.
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Old Yesterday, 09:54
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Hard Unity? Soft Unity? Or Red, White and Blue Unity?
From the antics of Gove, Johnson & Fox I'd say a Black & Blue unity.
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Old Yesterday, 10:00
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As a remainer I am a little mystified as to what I am supposed to do as part of the 'call to unity' post Brexit.
Unity is number one. So it's all about focusing on number one. As long as you're all right ...

There HAS to be a referendum on the result of the negotiations.
Nope. There's absolutely no need for a referendum on the result of the negotiations.

The purpose of referenda is to provide someone other than the government to blame when enacting divisive policies. They already have that
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Old Yesterday, 10:26
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There's not much substantive that Brexiteers can, or are prepared to, say at the moment.

Meaningless mantras and platitudes are all they've got to fill the vacuum.
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