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Do you care if there is a guard on the trains? |
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49 | 57.65% |
| No |
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24 | 28.24% |
| Not Bothered |
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12 | 14.12% |
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#51 |
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If the guard was not in your carriage then how were you safer?
I know because I follow the news and I have not read of any such incidents. People travel on trains without guards every day and there have been no reported incidents that I know of. Hopefully, there won't be any incidents but I still can't see why a guard can't be on the train for safety reasons (when they arise) or if someone simply wants to query the guard about their destination times. |
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What good would a guard do on a crowded commuter train when they'd be stuck in one carriage
They would probably wait until the train stopped at the next station and request assistance then. That's assuming that any guard ever became aware of a problem 4 carriages down from them. |
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Commuter train without guard travelled witth it's doors open.
http://www.cityam.com/253232/souther...lled-its-doors |
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What about the drivers that have been closing doors on other lines for years, why are the Southern Train drivers any different to them.
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Commuter train without guard travelled witth it's doors open.
http://www.cityam.com/253232/souther...lled-its-doors http://metro.co.uk/2017/01/04/rail-s...train-6359968/ |
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Commuter train without guard travelled witth it's doors open.
http://www.cityam.com/253232/souther...lled-its-doors |
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We were passengers once. How times have changed.
I would avoid getting on any train without a guard. Would you stand on the platform awaiting their arrival and then question the person whether they were a guard or just a ticket examiner? Many DOO trains run without a ticket examiner. Would you really refuse to travel because there wasn't a TE on board? |
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Rail staff failed to notice ‘bomb’ on Southern Rail and Thameslink train
http://metro.co.uk/2017/01/04/rail-s...train-6359968/ ‘Our modernisation of Southern’s train service means there will be more people working on our trains, not fewer, and they’ll be able to give better customer service as well as looking for suspicious bags during journeys. |
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There needs to be someone on the train to move along any bearded scrotes from Islington squatting in the doorways.
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From the article ..... This was an unusually rare set of circumstances on a train that has run without a conductor for many years and could have happened even if there had been a guard on board.
Where was the platform guard? |
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How would you know whether there was a conductor on the train before you travelled on it?
Would you stand on the platform awaiting their arrival and then question the person whether they were a guard or just a ticket examiner? Many DOO trains run without a ticket examiner. Would you really refuse to travel because there wasn't a TE on board? Maybe, I travel on the wrong type of train.
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Hmmmm...
‘Our modernisation of Southern’s train service means there will be more people working on our trains, not fewer, and they’ll be able to give better customer service as well as looking for suspicious bags during journeys. |
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I always seem to get on trains where there are guards and conductors. ( except London tube)
Maybe, I travel on the wrong type of train. ![]()
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Southern Trains management say they want to introduce driver only trains for the benefit of customers.
But IMO they really want to do it to decrease costs and there is not only no benefit to driver only trains but things are worse without a guard on the train. A driver should concentrate on driving the train and not be distracted by having to open and close doors or worry about trouble in the carriages. While a guard can collect tickets, look out for passengers causing trouble, or for lost or dangerous luggage left and can get off the train at stations to make sure that closing the doors is safe to do. This is so obviously a cost saving measure and nothing to do with the customers. |
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I always seem to get on trains where there are guards and conductors. ( except London tube)
Maybe, I travel on the wrong type of train. ![]() https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-ma...Man_Operations This doesn't mean that there aren't other staff on board, just that legally only the driver is required. |
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British transport police statistics have crimes up year on year. Theft from passengers, violence against the person, sex offences, even murder and attempted murder. This coincides with reduction in train and platform staff.
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The poll should have included: I can't afford to go on a train nowadays.
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Driver only trains operate safely all over the network. At present, on Southern, if a guard does not report for duty the train gets cancelled. If it were DOO, the train could run. Therefore the service provided to passengers will improve. Under Southern's proposals nobody will lose their job, nobody will lose any pay and trains will not routinely run with only a driver on board. The new position being proposed is On Board Supervisor and 222 of Southern's 223 conductors have accepted the proposals. The strikes are political.
Just want to know, how many carriages do these trains have? Also do they have automatic doors? Are they the type of train like the long distance, which have manual doors and with lots of carriages? In any case, why don't they have a camera system for the doors, and screen for the drive to check the doors? |
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British transport police statistics have crimes up year on year. Theft from passengers, violence against the person, sex offences, even murder and attempted murder. This coincides with reduction in train and platform staff.
(Statistics are a great way of providing whatever answer you want) |
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British transport police statistics have crimes up year on year. Theft from passengers, violence against the person, sex offences, even murder and attempted murder. This coincides with reduction in train and platform staff.
It's just as likely that crime stats have been going up due to the increase in passenger numbers and better reporting. |
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Here are a list of services which are Driver Only Operated
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-ma...Man_Operations This doesn't mean that there aren't other staff on board, just that legally only the driver is required. My concern is with long distance travel. CCTV camera's aren't much cop if there's a serious incident. The list shows Sweden have given up on driver only trains, due to health and safety. At least that's how I understood it. |
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#73 |
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Nah, you're just the wrong type of passenger!
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I always seem to get on trains where there are guards and conductors. ( except London tube)
Maybe, I travel on the wrong type of train. ![]() The man checking tickets while the driver is operating the doors has the job title ticket examiner. The guards/conductors like to think of themselves as a better class of railway employee, because they get to operate the doors and make the PA announcements, than the TEs. It's like the Cleese, Barker, Corbett sketch. |
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The list shows Sweden have given up on driver only trains, due to health and safety. At least that's how I understood it.
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