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Why Brexit is succeeding !
Rare article in the Independent (as opposed to their usual anti-Brexit rhetoric) on the reasons why the vote didn't result in the catastrophic predictions.
From former IMF director Ashoka Mody http://www.independent.co.uk/news/bu...-a7509711.html |
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Has it started?
Bloody hell. Nobody told me. I wonder if Teresa knows. |
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Has it started?
Bloody hell. Nobody told me. I wonder if Teresa knows. |
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But again, for the millionth time, the predictions were based on Cameron's promise to trigger Article 50 on the very next day.
The markets are still half-working on the premise that A50 might never be triggered. The predictions were also based on different potential scenarios and outcomes, depending on what type of future trade deal we might have with the EEA Single Market (EFTA, FTA, EUCU or WTO) - but again, none of it's happened yet. The value of GBP plummeted, as predicted, which was supposed to be just the start... But as we're still in the EU and EEA, we're just going to have to wait and see what the eventual outcome is, somewhere inbetween the next few months and maybe years..... Sure, Cameron & Osborne's predictions were mostly bs, because they were the all-time classic master pedlars of bs and lies, but we can't just ignore ALL other so-called expert opinion.... can we? |
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Well according to a few posters on here it's been causing doom ever since the vote, so I'm sure that it can be allowed to have positive outcomes as well....
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Well, the weather's been better. Not had any snow yet, and that big yellow thing can be seen out of the window right now.
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But again, for the millionth time, the predictions were based on Cameron's promise to trigger Article 50 on the very next day.
Economic predictions were based on only two possible outcomes. 1. We Remain. 2, Cameron triggers Article 50 on the 28th June 2016. Neither of those outcomes have occurred. And yet....we still see threads, and posts, and article headlines, that simply don't make sense. Surely it is now entirely reasonable to say that Brexiteers have their fingers stuck firmly in their ears, other than Brexit voting Ostriches. "Fact". |
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Exactly this (other than the specific day).
Economic predictions were based on only two possible outcomes. 1. We Remain. 2, Cameron triggers Article 50 on the 28th June 2016. Neither of those outcomes have occurred. And yet....we still see threads, and posts, and article headlines, that simply don't make sense. Surely it is now entirely reasonable to say that Brexiteers have their fingers stuck firmly in their ears, other than Brexit voting Ostriches. "Fact". |
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Rare article in the Independent (as opposed to their usual anti-Brexit rhetoric) on the reasons why the vote didn't result in the catastrophic predictions.
From former IMF director Ashoka Mody http://www.independent.co.uk/news/bu...-a7509711.html "Loss of privileged access at low or zero tariffs to the European Union markets should reduce British trade somewhat but this will be overcome by shifting trade to the more dynamic non-European countries, a shift that has, in any case, been ongoing." In other words we lose EU trade for a gain we were getting anyway. Brilliant! |
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Perhaps you could have a word with your fellow remainers on here who seem to think that everything now reported in anyway negative is down to Brexit. Because in your words it is they who write posts that simply don't make sense and have their fingers stuck in their ears.
I can't answer for Landis, but.... It's not healthy, imo, to be on the extreme of either side. It's possibly not even healthy to be less extreme but firmly fixed in one camp or the other. Keeping an open mind should always be the best option. I always try to base my opinion on fact, not on fake news or someone else's (potentially biased or misguided) opinions, but the main issue we've got here is that we're moving into unknown territory - where there's never been a case in which a major country has left such a large trade bloc after 57 years of association (EFTA 1960-72, EEC 1972-93, EU 1993-2017) - so there's always going to be a certain amount of speculation involved in such situations.... Much of the speculation and uncertainty is certainly due to the hiatus inbetween the referendum result and triggering of A50. But like Winter in GoT, March is forever drawing nearer..... |
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I can't answer for Landis, but....
It's not healthy, imo, to be on the extreme of either side. It's possibly not even healthy to be less extreme but firmly fixed in one camp or the other. Keeping an open mind should always be the best option. I always try to base my opinion on fact, not on fake news or someone else's (potentially biased or misguided) opinions, but the main issue we've got here is that we're moving into unknown territory - where there's never been a case in which a major country has left such a large trade bloc after 57 years of association (EFTA 1960-72, EEC 1972-93, EU 1993-2017) - so there's always going to be a certain amount of speculation involved in such situations.... Much of the speculation and uncertainty is certainly due to the hiatus inbetween the referendum result and triggering of A50. But like Winter in GoT, March is forever drawing nearer..... |
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It was all going quite well until your last sentence whereupon your keep an open mind stance rather lost its way.
Sorry, but I think you misinterpreted. All the last sentence meant was that (if everything goes to "plan") A50 will be triggered in March, at which point we'll begin to have a much clearer picture and much of the speculation will end. The comparison being that all through GoT seasons 1-6 they've been saying "winter is coming" and every day since the referendum result we've been hearing that A50 will be triggered..... |
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Sorry, but I think you misinterpreted.
All the last sentence meant was that (if everything goes to "plan") A50 will be triggered in March, at which point we'll begin to have a much clearer picture and much of the speculation will end. The comparison being that all through GoT seasons 1-6 they've been saying "winter is coming" and every day since the referendum result we've been hearing that A50 will be triggered.....
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Fair enough but it wasn't a very good analogy as everyone knows that 'winter is coming' in GoT ain't good news unless the dragons come to the rescue.
![]() Well yes, that's the point. It could be good news, it could be bad news. It could be a bit of both or neither. We'll just have to wait and see. Other than that, yes, maybe it wasn't the best analogy (most analogies usually aren't), but it was more to do with the actual occurrence of the event than the event itself or the outcome of the event.... |
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Fair enough but it wasn't a very good analogy as everyone knows that 'winter is coming' in GoT ain't good news unless the dragons come to the rescue.
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Rare article in the Independent (as opposed to their usual anti-Brexit rhetoric) on the reasons why the vote didn't result in the catastrophic predictions.
From former IMF director Ashoka Mody http://www.independent.co.uk/news/bu...-a7509711.html I hate each and everyone who voted for brexit including members of my own family. Anyone who claims brexit has not been bad for business should quite frankly be disqualified from having an opinion on anything ever again. |
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How about The night is dark and full of terrors
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Brexit is already an absolute disaster and it has barely started. My business has been crippled beyond belief due to the collapse in sterling value. I used to have thousands of discretionary spending every month to buy new gadgets and gear and fashion, literally all of that has been swallowed up by the devaluation of sterling and me needing to eat that cost to keep my business afloat. WHAT IS HAPPENING IS A COMPLETER AND UTTER DISASTER.
I hate each and everyone who voted for brexit including members of my own family. Anyone who claims brexit has not been bad for business should quite frankly be disqualified from having an opinion on anything ever again. |
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How about The night is dark and full of terrors
Ok you got my attention, what comes next?
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Brexit is already an absolute disaster and it has barely started. My business has been crippled beyond belief due to the collapse in sterling value. I used to have thousands of discretionary spending every month to buy new gadgets and gear and fashion, literally all of that has been swallowed up by the devaluation of sterling and me needing to eat that cost to keep my business afloat. WHAT IS HAPPENING IS A COMPLETER AND UTTER DISASTER.
I hate each and everyone who voted for brexit including members of my own family. Anyone who claims brexit has not been bad for business should quite frankly be disqualified from having an opinion on anything ever again. Might I ask how old you are and what kind of business you own? |
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Has it started?
Bloody hell. Nobody told me. I wonder if Teresa knows.
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What nobody can understand except our Prime Minister and a few others that Brexit means Brexit, the sooner we realise this the better. Brexit does not mean Remain, there is no Remain, it does not exist any more, it is obsolete now, so we cannot Remain even if we wanted to Remain so Brexit it is, therefore Brexit means Brexit, it does not mean Remain. If Brexit meant Remain the country would not have voted Brexit and the Teresa would have said Remain is Remain so we will Remain and not Brexit. Some might say we cannot Brexit as there is no such word but there is an actual word Remain so we should Remain. Brexit is however a brand new word that we shall have to get used to, as we will see it used more and more. Remain is history like Neanderthal man and Brexit is the future we must embrace it with love and affection and bring joy with it into our hearts.
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What nobody can understand except our Prime Minister and a few others that Brexit means Brexit, the sooner we realise this the better. Brexit does not mean Remain, there is no Remain, it does not exist any more, it is obsolete now, so we cannot Remain even if we wanted to Remain so Brexit it is, therefore Brexit means Brexit, it does not mean Remain. If Brexit meant Remain the country would not have voted Brexit and the Teresa would have said Remain is Remain so we will Remain and not Brexit. Some might say we cannot Brexit as there is no such word but there is an actual word Remain so we should Remain. Brexit is however a brand new word that we shall have to get used to, as we will see it used more and more. Remain is history like Neanderthal man and Brexit is the future we must embrace it with love and affection and bring joy with it into our hearts.
I'm not so sure. Suppose retaining single market access, as it's always been very much part of remain ideology, does this fit into the definition of Brexit means Brexit? |
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Surely it is now entirely reasonable to say that Brexiteers have their fingers stuck firmly in their ears, other than Brexit voting Ostriches. "Fact".
We have our eyes peeled : for the lying evil politicians hell bent on diverting the process, including May. Once we are out from under the illegal European gov't we can do the right thing, of course that will mean having folk in the gov't who want to do what the people require, but Brexit is the first step to justice. Without Brexit Britain can do nothing. |
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