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Is the Future Socialist?
Just looking at the rise of Artificial Intelligence to replace people in many "middle-class" job areas.
Companies will no doubt do this as the technology becomes available, just as they did with "working class" jobs. Which political mantra will resonate with the public? |
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I'm no history buff, but it seems that The Labour Party became increasingly irrelevant because there were not enough "exploited masses" to vote for them.
Artificial Intelligence/Robotics seems likely to change all that. |
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Just looking at the rise of Artificial Intelligence to replace people in many "middle-class" job areas.
Companies will no doubt do this as the technology becomes available, just as they did with "working class" jobs. Which political mantra will resonate with the public? The movement if anything is away from centralisation, to more bottom up decentralised system. Indeed take energy generation - I suspect what we will see is micro-generation becoming a large part of people's energy consumption with the excess sold to the grid. |
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I'm no history buff, but it seems that The Labour Party became increasingly irrelevant because there were not enough "exploited masses" to vote for them.
Artificial Intelligence/Robotics seems likely to change all that. The typical exploited worker today probably works in an office of some description. |
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A large number of those who don't regard themselves as exploited are. They seem to think it is only the blue collar, manual workers who can be so.
The typical exploited worker today probably works in an office of some description. |
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Am I exploited?
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Am I exploited?
Many in banking are, of course. |
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Do you as a worker own the means of production? if not your exploited
![]() ![]() Most self-employed people earn very little for instance, and suffer the same travails as employees on a low wage. |
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Ideally it likely would be some sort of utopian society, who knows what will happen in reality
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Couldn't tell you - I don't know what position you hold.
Many in banking are, of course. What are the "means of production" in a Bank? Am I exploited? |
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Ideally it likely would be some sort of utopian society, who knows what will happen in reality
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What by you mean by position? I am not the CEO, but a reasonably well-paid employee.
What are the "means of production" in a Bank? Am I exploited? Exploitation is not just dependent on lack of ownership of the MoP (their boss may not own them either), but a person on £50k could be seen as being exploited if their company makes £10m a year out of them in my view. |
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I would have thought that is a simple question - all people have positions in a company.
Exploitation is not just dependent on lack of ownership of the MoP (their boss may not own them either), but a person on £50k could be seen as being exploited if their company makes £10m a year out of them in my view. The employee a resource exploited by the capitalist to make profit. |
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I would have thought that is a simple question - all people have positions in a company.
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Exploitation is not just dependent on lack of ownership of the MoP (their boss may not own them either), but a person on £50k could be seen as being exploited if their company makes £10m a year out of them in my view.
![]() Many people in a company are just in a cost centre rather than a profit centre so it's not possible to assign revenue from let's say a finance function so how will that work? |
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Is not all waged labour employed to make a profit exploitation?
The employee a resource exploited by the capitalist to make profit. |
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Socialism is failed experiment, just look at state of health care in Easterern Europe. Freedom of movement has ment the qualified doctors are leaving and not being replaced. All
thanks to socialists in the EU. |
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Socialism is inevitable and has to happen in the event of mass unemployment due to the development of robotics and AI.
Guaranteed basic income, low working hours, and more time spent on leisure and hobbies, are the only alternative the public will support when the capitalist alternative would force mass unemployment, starvation and homelessness across the populace. If half the population is unemployed the only way to support the populace is to raise taxes on businesses, or take businesses into public ownership and reduce the prices to the level the lower earning population can afford to pay. Cost of production would be low enough to provide goods and services at those low prices due to the lower levels of staffing required to provide them, and businesses not in public ownership could afford to pay those extra taxes, and still make suitable profits. |
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Socialism is failed experiment, just look at state of health care in Easterern Europe. Freedom of movement has ment the qualified doctors are leaving and not being replaced. All
thanks to socialists in the EU. Oh, and the only reason that socialism has failed is the economic warfare that the dominant capitalists have waged against it. |
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