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James O'Brien takes on Brexit supporter after he refuses to answer a simple question
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Capablanca
06-01-2017
Whilest JO'B is undoubtedly a skilled polemicist (he should be as he does it for a living) he does seem to regard his own opinions as fact. When others offer their own differing opinions he demands that they proove them, which of course isn't always possible.

I think his worst trait (tactic) is to subtly twist what a caller has said and then attack the distorted version of the caller's argument.
Bless You
06-01-2017
Jo'b is a nasty, deluded fool. Why anybody wastes their time listening to his narrow-minded vitriol is beyond me.
James2001
06-01-2017
Originally Posted by Bless You:
“Jo'b is a nasty, deluded fool. Why anybody wastes their time listening to his narrow-minded vitriol is beyond me.”

Could say the same for the people who listen to Katie Hopkins and Farage's shows on the same station.
Bless You
06-01-2017
Originally Posted by James2001:
“Could say the same for the people who listen to Katie Hopkins and Farage's shows on the same station.”

No-ones stopping you.
Helenb1
06-01-2017
Originally Posted by Capablanca:
“Whilest JO'B is undoubtedly a skilled polemicist (he should be as he does it for a living) he does seem to regard his own opinions as fact. When others offer their own differing opinions he demands that they proove them, which of course isn't always possible.

I think his worst trait (tactic) is to subtly twist what a caller has said and then attack the distorted version of the caller's argument.”

I would agree with this, he usually starts the programme with one long rant and on many instances he doesn't give the caller anytime to say anything at all without constantly butting in, which usually throws the caller off track, I listen to LBC as it's on in the background but not JOB, he's far too annoying, I switch over to talk radio during his slot.
Penny Crayon
06-01-2017
Originally Posted by Ironwithin:
“The calls are screened beforehand so that only the stupid people are allowed on to make james look good and able to push them around.”


Absolutely spot on - as someone said - it is only Brexiters that ring in.


**** 🏃 🏃 ****
MargMck
06-01-2017
Originally Posted by CSJB:
“This is like starting a thread about a random post in another thread.
A new low even by TheEngineers standards
I suppose desperation is setting in with all the good economic news of late.”

Exactly what I thought.
It would be fascinating to watch The Engineer 'at work' for a while, in EUber-Grinch mode, trawling through piles of random nonsense for something which might just be pinned by several degrees removed on Brexit.
I've had a very bad croak and met a friend halfway in Windsor for lunch pre-Christmas.
Quite clearly, by The Engineer standards, the Queen gave me her cold. Even if she was already in Sandringham that day.
Penny Crayon
06-01-2017
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Steve_Holmes
06-01-2017
Originally Posted by Peter the Great:
“No it proves how desperate you are. The tiresome remoaners insult and just ranting about O'Brien because leave voters can never answer his simple questions. I am sure you prefer the quality of discussion that is on offer with Nick Ferrari, Nigel Farage and Katie Hopkins? And then you have a cheek to say remainers are desperate?”

Yet more unadulterated nonsense - perhaps you could give examples of what these 'simple questions' are that remain unanswered - and let sensible people judge for themselves.
Parker45
06-01-2017
Originally Posted by Steve_Holmes:
“Yet more unadulterated nonsense - perhaps you could give examples of what these 'simple questions' are that remain unanswered - and let sensible people judge for themselves.”

His usual question to the anti-EU callers who complain about EU laws is "Which specific EU laws do you want done away with?"

So, please, have a go.
Landis
06-01-2017
Originally Posted by Steve_Holmes:
“Yet more unadulterated nonsense - perhaps you could give examples of what these 'simple questions' are that remain unanswered - and let sensible people judge for themselves.”

Here is the question that was the theme for the James O'Brien discussion that triggered this thread.
"Why was Theresa May unable to reveal her Brexit negotiating strategy to her leading diplomat in Brussels?"

The attempts by callers to answer that question were woeful. If you want to have a go please do so.....it can only be an improvement.
Steve_Holmes
06-01-2017
Originally Posted by Parker45:
“His usual question to the anti-EU callers who complain about EU laws is "Which specific EU laws do you want done away with?"

So, please, have a go.”

All of them! - but especially the banning of the right of free movement wrt EU so called 'citizens'. The UK elects governments to make our laws - NOT the undemocratic EU cabal!!
Steve_Holmes
06-01-2017
Originally Posted by Landis:
“Here is the question that was the theme for the James O'Brien discussion that triggered this thread.
"Why was Theresa May unable to reveal her Brexit negotiating strategy to her leading diplomat in Brussels?"

The attempts by callers to answer that question were woeful. If you want to have a go please do so.....it can only be an improvement.”

It is a nonsense to talk about 'Her' having a negotiating strategy....as negotiations are plainly far from being 'one-sided.
As has been stated many times, Brexit means Brexit - which simple means the UK leaving the EU.
A simple enough consideration. The agreement specified 'divorce' period is to be used for debate/negotiating the ensuing trading basis. Not an unreasonable provision - but sensibly, not available as a subject of discussion BEFORE, due notice of leaving is served. A so called 'exit' plan is hardly a necessity in finite terms - because the leaving Party will wish to negotiate trade deals with not EU countries, as well as the EU, and cannot predict the success of such negotiations, but obviously, the potential for beneficial arrangements with non-EU memb er states is very high.
Likewise, the EU regurgitating ad nauseum that single market access cannot be allowed without accepting freedom of movement, is hardly surprising, albeit, not really true - as many non-EU countries do enjoy free trade with the EU, without such impositions, albeit, the FT is not as extensive as that enjoyed by EU members - although, for some, this 'enjoyment' comes at a prohibitive cost!!
Peter the Great
06-01-2017
Originally Posted by Steve_Holmes:
“All of them! - but especially the banning of the right of free movement wrt EU so called 'citizens'. The UK elects governments to make our laws - NOT the undemocratic EU cabal!!”

All of them? I bet you can't even name a couple of them? The EU has elected MEP's yet the UK has an unelected head of state, unelected house of lords and governments that most voters didn't vote for. When our courts make decisions in British courts people like you start whinging.
Steve_Holmes
06-01-2017
Originally Posted by Peter the Great:
“All of them? I bet you can't even name a couple of them? The EU has elected MEP's yet the UK has an unelected head of state, unelected house of lords and governments that most voters didn't vote for. When our courts make decisions in British courts people like you start whinging.”

Don't be so asine.....abnormal fruit curvature, ( absolutely stupid), incandescent light bulbs..... But as I said - it should be the ELECTED UK GOVERNMENT TO LEGISLATE FOR THE UK......why is so difficult for you to understand that!!
The UK head of state has no formal powers - merely traditional, so you can stop harping on that stupid point - and the UK MEPS are a mere handful pg representatives in a multinational Parliament, which is secondary to the unelected Executive.
The HOL is secondary, ( and should be replaced with an elected senate, far fewer than the current monstrous assembly).
In any event, I am not claiming that our electoral system is faultless - but AT LEAST, every qualified national voter can be involved with the voting in of the national Parliament - AND the executive is also formed from nationally ELECTED individuals too!!
Peter the Great
06-01-2017
Originally Posted by Steve_Holmes:
“Don't be so asine.....abnormal fruit curvature, ( absolutely stupid), incandescent light bulbs.....”

Seriously? This is it? And you wonder why O'Brien gets so worked up with leave voters?
Steve_Holmes
06-01-2017
Originally Posted by Peter the Great:
“Seriously? This is it? And you wonder why O'Brien gets so worked up with leave voters?”

Don't blame me for the stupid legislative output from your beloved EU - which tells us a lot, ( which is not very complimentary), about the likes of you and O'Brien!
Peter the Great
06-01-2017
Originally Posted by Steve_Holmes:
“Don't blame me for the stupid legislative output from your beloved EU - which tells us a lot, ( which is not very complimentary), about the likes of you and O'Brien!”

I blame you for proving me and the likes of O'Brien right. Let's risk the economy just so we can have bendy bananas and power hungry lightbulbs?
bluewomble88
06-01-2017
Originally Posted by Peter the Great:
“I blame you for proving me and the likes of O'Brien right. Let's risk the economy just so we can have bendy bananas and power hungry lightbulbs?”

JOB's question is easy to answer - the EU forces freedom of movement on member states. That is the one aspect I want to see the end of once we leave the EU. Of course, when you put that to him, his brain overloads and he goes into full-on lefty, elitist, snobbery mode. Like most other Remoaners.
Jayceef1
06-01-2017
Originally Posted by Capablanca:
“Whilest JO'B is undoubtedly a skilled polemicist (he should be as he does it for a living) he does seem to regard his own opinions as fact. When others offer their own differing opinions he demands that they proove them, which of course isn't always possible.

I think his worst trait (tactic) is to subtly twist what a caller has said and then attack the distorted version of the caller's argument.”

Pretty much spot on. Anyone who agrees with him is encouraged and given added background to support their view. Any one who disagrees with him is cajoled and diverted off at a tangent and asked a secondary question they are not necessarily prepared for. This happens regularly on any topic not just Brexit.
dosanjh1
06-01-2017
Originally Posted by Helenb1:
“I would agree with this, he usually starts the programme with one long rant and on many instances he doesn't give the caller anytime to say anything at all without constantly butting in, which usually throws the caller off track, I listen to LBC as it's on in the background but not JOB, he's far too annoying, I switch over to talk radio during his slot.”

This is the LBC modus operandi. Ferrari and Hopkins do the same. Listeners either like or despise them depending on if they agree with then.

I find all of it great fun but it's not very informative and doesnt challenge the views you or I may personally hold.

Ian Dale and Maajd Nawaz on the other hand are really good - well rounded, calm debates with caller and host discussing issues deeply and repectfully.
Parker45
06-01-2017
Originally Posted by bluewomble88:
“JOB's question is easy to answer - the EU forces freedom of movement on member states. That is the one aspect I want to see the end of once we leave the EU. .”

The EU has not forced freedom of movement on member states, They, including the UK, agreed with it as part of the Single Market.

Why not just say what you mean - you don't like foreigners living here.
bluewomble88
06-01-2017
Originally Posted by Parker45:
“The EU has not forced freedom of movement on member states, They, including the UK, agreed with it as part of the Single Market.

Why not just say what you mean - you don't like foreigners living here.”

I did say what I meant - freedom of movement of hundreds of millions of people has to stop. That is the one thing that we have to accept right now that I want an end to. Don't you dare accuse me of racism - my wife is a Romanian immigrant and my closest friends are from Co Carlow in Ireland. You have no idea what I'm about so back off.
Peter the Great
06-01-2017
Originally Posted by bluewomble88:
“I did say what I meant - freedom of movement of hundreds of millions of people has to stop. That is the one thing that we have to accept right now that I want an end to. Don't you dare accuse me of racism - my wife is a Romanian immigrant and my closest friends are from Co Carlow in Ireland. You have no idea what I'm about so back off.”

Ahh the old "some of my best friends are foreigners" line?
Union Jock
Yesterday, 00:50
Originally Posted by Parker45:
“The EU has not forced freedom of movement on member states, They, including the UK, agreed with it as part of the Single Market.

Why not just say what you mean - you don't like foreigners living here.”

And to be part of the SM you have to have FOM so yes it is forced.
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