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Old Yesterday, 18:08
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SOME of the ones who are 'loving' the show etc are just as bad as SOME of the ones who are very dissatisfied with the show.
I have seen a couple of posters ganged up on on a couple of occasions now simply for expressing their views against the current producer.
One things for sure, people are actually talking about the show again, but call it as I see it, Sean is extremely disliked, maybe not up to Bryan Kirkwoods standards yet though.
It's silly really,

others on here are capable of discussing it and debating it without getting personal to anybody, it can be really good fun.
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WHY on earth did you type that?!

Neither actress wanted to leave they were sacked and forced to play out that horrendous story.
It was an amazing exit, and they got paid handsomely to do a job.
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It's silly really,

others on here are capable of discussing it and debating it without getting personal to anybody, it can be really good fun.
Even though I draw the line at any max critique
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Old Yesterday, 18:13
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Well i cant help myself! I seriously think the mods should pin this one http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?t=2186177 that way the debate can carry on in one thread and that one seems to have the most posts.

I wish i could see what you see!! I love EastEnders i have watched it since i was 4 (yes really)
It just does not have the magic is once had at all for me. I mean its been pretty dire for years, they have never been able to recapture the unmissable era from a decade ago.
It all really started to go tits up for me when they killed off Ronnie's daughter Danielle, I did not like their reason for doing it either, 'there was nowhere for the character to go'. All that said to me was the writing team and production at the time were very very poor. Every character has somewhere to go with competent writers. That started the whole tragic heroine crap for Ronnie, which nutcase Birkwood came along and played on with that GODAWFUL babyswap story.
Dominic Treadwell picked up the show up for me somewhat and i thought the months before and around live week were brilliant. And Kathy coming back was just amazing. Then ofcourse the tits started to go up again, and the rot started to set in. However it was still watchable and still had characters in the show which i liked.
I was not really bothered when DTC left and was looking forward to a new producer, I actually noticed the change in pace as soon as SOCs work came on screen and i liked it! However I did not realize that every episode for months on end was going to be so mind numbing, had i of known a play was taking centre stage i would not of bothered watching at all up until xmas! And as for Bex and bloody Shakil!! Sorry i am just not feeling it, any of it. Ronnie & Roxy lit up the show for me in those dreadful months, i am still in shock the BBC have allowed this moron to kill them off in that bizarre fashion.
I dont like him, i dont like what hes done to the show, i will be tuning in again one day, but not whilst he is producer. I cant change how i feel.
As i said in another thread, its going to turn into a cult show which only the die hard, hardcore fans are going to want to watch, IF he stays.
I respect your opinion and at least you explain why you feel like you do. I happen to agree with you up until SOC's arrival. DTC's first half was amazing but his second half was OTT, far-fetched and badly characterised.

SOC had to do something to change things. It was a shame that the shift in style and pace was so sudden and obvious. That was a mistake in my book.... but he has revitalised pretty much all of the characters that are staying, which needed to be done. Okay, some need more work and yes, we need a good few new characters, so still plenty of work to be done.

You must see that some viewers had grown tired of R&R, though? They hadn't been written well in the last few years. You must be able to acknowledge that opinion, even if you don't agree with it?

I can't see why SOC would have needed authorisation from above to kill them off though, that's his job. That's what he's tasked with doing. He has to have ultimate control over where the show goes and which actors are employed. Yes. he'll have some parameters to work within but I'd be surprised if that included who could and couldn't be killed off.
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Old Yesterday, 18:17
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Even though I draw the line at any max critique
I like old Max too.
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Old Yesterday, 18:18
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I respect your opinion and at least you explain why you feel like you do. I happen to agree with you up until SOC's arrival. DTC's first half was amazing but his second half was OTT, far-fetched and badly characterised.

SOC had to do something to change things. It was a shame that the shift in style and pace was so sudden and obvious. That was a mistake in my book.... but he has revitalised pretty much all of the characters that are staying, which needed to be done. Okay, some need more work and yes, we need a good few new characters, so still plenty of work to be done.

You must see that some viewers had grown tired of R&R, though? They hadn't been written well in the last few years. You must see that opinion, even if you don't agree with it? I can't see why SOC would have needed authorisation from above to kill them off though, that's his job. That's what he's tasked with doing. He has to have ultimate control over where the show goes and which actors are employed. Yes. he'll have some parameters to work within but I'd be surprised if that included who could and couldn't be killed off.
This is what i have been wondering for ages, does a producer need authorisation from someone else to go ahead with plans to axe characters and kill them off? Surely he alone cannot decide the future of the actors?
Personally i think R&R needed a break, but killing them off was just a horrendous idea and this leads me to thinking maybe it was just SOC and him alone who was allowed to make that decision.
BBC is publicly funded, surely they need some input from the viewers over who is popular or not.
The DS poll has 15.000 votes and 85% say R&R should have lived, that is a huge majority.
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Old Yesterday, 18:23
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I would have thought SOC had to get clearance from the Head of Drama for R&R's deaths
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Old Yesterday, 18:44
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This is what i have been wondering for ages, does a producer need authorisation from someone else to go ahead with plans to axe characters and kill them off? Surely he alone cannot decide the future of the actors?
Personally i think R&R needed a break, but killing them off was just a horrendous idea and this leads me to thinking maybe it was just SOC and him alone who was allowed to make that decision.
BBC is publicly funded, surely they need some input from the viewers over who is popular or not.
The DS poll has 15.000 votes and 85% say R&R should have lived, that is a huge majority.
I would have thought SOC had to get clearance from the Head of Drama for R&R's deaths
BIB 1 & 3 - I don't know for sure. But where do you draw the line? Would he need authorisation to kill off (say) Shirley? Lauren? Lee? Shakil?

BIB 2 - The trouble is it's almost impossible to word that question impartially. There's clearly lots more opportunities available in the future if they were rested and not killed off. Shutting that door greatly restricts potential storylines for future EPs. All of that's quite obvious - you'd have to be a bit daft not to think that they should have lived, unless you really disliked the characters.

However, as SOC has said nothing about what's happening next, where the story is going or what his reasons for killing them were, it's not really possible for us, as mere viewers, to make valid judgement on it. Perhaps in a year's time? Perhaps in three years' time? Ten years' time? But by then people will have calmed down, seen what's happened next and generally accepted it. Like with Pat. As annoying and disappointing as their deaths might be for some viewers, at the end of the day, It's far easier to take the show as it comes and to go with the flow.
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Old Yesterday, 18:53
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Well i cant help myself! I seriously think the mods should pin this one http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?t=2186177 that way the debate can carry on in one thread and that one seems to have the most posts.

I wish i could see what you see!! I love EastEnders i have watched it since i was 4 (yes really)
It just does not have the magic is once had at all for me. I mean its been pretty dire for years, they have never been able to recapture the unmissable era from a decade ago.
It all really started to go tits up for me when they killed off Ronnie's daughter Danielle, I did not like their reason for doing it either, 'there was nowhere for the character to go'. All that said to me was the writing team and production at the time were very very poor. Every character has somewhere to go with competent writers. That started the whole tragic heroine crap for Ronnie, which nutcase Birkwood came along and played on with that GODAWFUL babyswap story.
Dominic Treadwell picked up the show up for me somewhat and i thought the months before and around live week were brilliant. And Kathy coming back was just amazing. Then ofcourse the tits started to go up again, and the rot started to set in. However it was still watchable and still had characters in the show which i liked.
I was not really bothered when DTC left and was looking forward to a new producer, I actually noticed the change in pace as soon as SOCs work came on screen and i liked it! However I did not realize that every episode for months on end was going to be so mind numbing, had i of known a play was taking centre stage i would not of bothered watching at all up until xmas! And as for Bex and bloody Shakil!! Sorry i am just not feeling it, any of it. Ronnie & Roxy lit up the show for me in those dreadful months, i am still in shock the BBC have allowed this moron to kill them off in that bizarre fashion.
I dont like him, i dont like what hes done to the show, i will be tuning in again one day, but not whilst he is producer. I cant change how i feel.
As i said in another thread, its going to turn into a cult show which only the die hard, hardcore fans are going to want to watch, IF he stays.
Completely undermined your argument when you referred to SOC as a 'moron.' As many of us on here have clearly stated, attacked on cast and crew is completely unnecessary and against forum rules.
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Old Yesterday, 18:57
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DTC had to get clearance for Lucy's death as a legacy character. Other exits may not be necessary for clearance eg Masood's exit. The nature of exit and sensitivity perhaps so I am certain this protocol was followed for the Mitchell exits including Peggy.
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Old Yesterday, 19:03
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I don't know about hate but it does seem as if the only reason for the big Xmas death storyline was to have a big Xmas death. In recent years I think we're used to having interwoven plots, layers, etc. Story telling, particularly for EE in recent years has grown more sophisticated than 'something bad happens, everyone weeps then we move on'.

Two characters drowning by accident with no repercussions, nobody else involved and nothing to come of it other than upset loved ones as a climax to their big festive programming seemed both out of place in modern EE it also seems a bit of a waste. It's the sort of direction that would have saw Lucy Beale killed by a freak bolt of lightening and essentially finished as a story beyond the next few episodes showing Ian a bit upset.

Now it seems as if the show is returning to more uncomplicated plots. Some might like that, personally I like a bit of intrigue and I'm not sure we're getting that now. Doesn't seem to be much subtext to anything that's going on.
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Old Yesterday, 19:08
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Completely undermined your argument when you referred to SOC as a 'moron.' As many of us on here have clearly stated, attacked on cast and crew is completely unnecessary and against forum rules.
Are you actually being serious?? That's life. I will label him as I please. Moron is hardly a harsh word. Judge Rinder must say it at least 50 times per show.
When one makes moronic decisions I have every right to label one a moron. Its free speech.
God your banter must be a hoot.
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Old Yesterday, 19:16
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Are you actually being serious?? That's life. I will label him as I please. Moron is hardly a harsh word. Judge Rinder must say it at least 50 times per show.
When one makes moronic decisions I have every right to label one a moron. Its free speech.
God your banter must be a hoot.
Yes I am being serious. I was a perfectly fine post until you lowered the tone and made an insult at the producer. It undermined the point you were trying to get across.
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Old Yesterday, 19:17
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I'm somebody who liked DTC and had no problem with Dean walking the square after raping LInda or Max going down for Lucy's murder (and I don't think characters were ruined or written out of character) . Still , DTC had his problems too , mostly the the normal daily interaction of characters. That often felt strange and forced (like he was trying to get one character from a to be so event c could happen .
SOC has the opposite problem . He's great at creating normal interactions but he still has to figure out pacing and how to balance normal days and event days (as in bins for ages with no fall out or if there is a fall out , everyone stopped caring about it in November ) .
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Old Yesterday, 19:21
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DTC may have overlooked the smaller stuff including character development of those not involved in his big storylines, but the big stuff he got right. At least even if you didn't like what he did you could appreciate that the plots were well thought out and planned.

Contrast the amount of time taking up by production meetings and story planning meetings that Lucy's death must have taken up compared to the number of seconds it must have taken to come up with the random way for Ronnie and Roxy to die would be to drown. People often mistake objection to the recent story line as people being in love with the characters. For my part it was because it seemed ill thought out and lazy.
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Yes I am being serious. I was a perfectly fine post until you lowered the tone and made an insult at the producer. It undermined the point you were trying to get across.
I'm still angry he killed my girls.
I'm mourning.
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Old Yesterday, 19:28
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I don't know about hate but it does seem as if the only reason for the big Xmas death storyline was to have a big Xmas death. In recent years I think we're used to having interwoven plots, layers, etc. Story telling, particularly for EE in recent years has grown more sophisticated than 'something bad happens, everyone weeps then we move on'.

Two characters drowning by accident with no repercussions, nobody else involved and nothing to come of it other than upset loved ones as a climax to their big festive programming seemed both out of place in modern EE it also seems a bit of a waste. It's the sort of direction that would have saw Lucy Beale killed by a freak bolt of lightening and essentially finished as a story beyond the next few episodes showing Ian a bit upset.

Now it seems as if the show is returning to more uncomplicated plots. Some might like that, personally I like a bit of intrigue and I'm not sure we're getting that now. Doesn't seem to be much subtext to anything that's going on.
As much as I was not really bothered about R&R staying or leaving alive or dying (and I can understand why TPTB might have wanted to kill them off), I really can't argue with any of this.

Of course, we don't know what happens next but the implications of their deaths really don't seem to have any obvious lasting impact other than in one little bubble of Walford called Jack-world, which is both surprising and disappointing.
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Old Yesterday, 19:31
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I agree with OP, it's off putting on here lately all this negativity.
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Old Yesterday, 19:59
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Well i cant help myself! I seriously think the mods should pin this one http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?t=2186177 that way the debate can carry on in one thread and that one seems to have the most posts.

I wish i could see what you see!! I love EastEnders i have watched it since i was 4 (yes really)
It just does not have the magic is once had at all for me. I mean its been pretty dire for years, they have never been able to recapture the unmissable era from a decade ago.
It all really started to go tits up for me when they killed off Ronnie's daughter Danielle, I did not like their reason for doing it either, 'there was nowhere for the character to go'. All that said to me was the writing team and production at the time were very very poor. Every character has somewhere to go with competent writers. That started the whole tragic heroine crap for Ronnie, which nutcase Birkwood came along and played on with that GODAWFUL babyswap story.
Dominic Treadwell picked up the show up for me somewhat and i thought the months before and around live week were brilliant. And Kathy coming back was just amazing. Then ofcourse the tits started to go up again, and the rot started to set in. However it was still watchable and still had characters in the show which i liked.
I was not really bothered when DTC left and was looking forward to a new producer, I actually noticed the change in pace as soon as SOCs work came on screen and i liked it! However I did not realize that every episode for months on end was going to be so mind numbing, had i of known a play was taking centre stage i would not of bothered watching at all up until xmas! And as for Bex and bloody Shakil!! Sorry i am just not feeling it, any of it. Ronnie & Roxy lit up the show for me in those dreadful months, i am still in shock the BBC have allowed this moron to kill them off in that bizarre fashion.
I dont like him, i dont like what hes done to the show, i will be tuning in again one day, but not whilst he is producer. I cant change how i feel.
As i said in another thread, its going to turn into a cult show which only the die hard, hardcore fans are going to want to watch, IF he stays.
I think pinning a 'we hate Sean O'Connor thread would be a really dark day for this forum. If the mods do that, for any producer or actor for that matter, I'll delete my account.

I sort of agree with you about Danielle. It was a shame and I wanted her and Ronnie to get some time. Not to even have a proper conversation was a bit disappointing. But ultimately I get why they did it. In the grand scheme of things, she was a minor character and her death really catapulted us towards Christmas because that episode was the turning point for a lot of people hating Archie. Without Danielle's death, they wouldn't have had that. It essentially, in my eyes, gave so many characters stories. It also definitely contributed to Stacey's bipolar as her death knocked her hard.

Kirkwood ruined Ronnie a bit for me actually. It's possibly why I'm in SOC's favour more with killing them. The baby swap story wasn't awful but it was sensationalist and I felt no sympathy for Ronnie whatsoever. It wasn't a good period for the show. Then it took a long time to recover, actually until DTC took over.

I totally agree with you about DTC being great up until the anniversary. Something changed afterwards. It's almost as if they decided Bobby was the killer but then didn't plot the aftermath of the reveal. It felt like they were making the story up from that point whereas everything running towards the live week was planned and carefully plotted. I also think he messed up Kathy's return a bit. Gavin could've been so good. Remember when he caught her at the station and said "Naughty girl." - ace. But then, nothing really.

We'll have to agree to disagree about SOC. I respect your opinion but I genuinely think the shows in a good place at the moment. Bex and Shakil I'll give you, but I'm intrigued to see where the story goes. I think it's a shame you're switching off because I genuinely think stuffs gonna get brilliant. But there you go.

Nice debate.
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Old Yesterday, 20:38
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Wasn't it EE who first coined the phrase, "everyone is talking about it"!

Ironic that at a time when its never been talked about as much as it is now for around a decade, whether its in a positive or a negative way, people want to shut down debate unless its only for praise!
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Wasn't it EE who first coined the phrase, "everyone is talking about it"!

Ironic that at a time when its never been talked about as much as it is now for around a decade, whether its in a positive or a negative way, people want to shut down debate unless its only for praise!
Who killed Lucy was huge
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Old Yesterday, 20:53
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Who killed Lucy was huge
That's true but when the reveal of Bobby, I lost a lot of respect for the storyline. So much so I've tried to forget it even happened. It actually was the start of the show going downhill fast under DTC.
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Wasn't it EE who first coined the phrase, "everyone is talking about it"!

Ironic that at a time when its never been talked about as much as it is now for around a decade, whether its in a positive or a negative way, people want to shut down debate unless its only for praise!
It's always been a mainstay in the media, it's got that marmite effect.
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I think pinning a 'we hate Sean O'Connor thread would be a really dark day for this forum. If the mods do that, for any producer or actor for that matter, I'll delete my account.

I sort of agree with you about Danielle. It was a shame and I wanted her and Ronnie to get some time. Not to even have a proper conversation was a bit disappointing. But ultimately I get why they did it. In the grand scheme of things, she was a minor character and her death really catapulted us towards Christmas because that episode was the turning point for a lot of people hating Archie. Without Danielle's death, they wouldn't have had that. It essentially, in my eyes, gave so many characters stories. It also definitely contributed to Stacey's bipolar as her death knocked her hard.

Kirkwood ruined Ronnie a bit for me actually. It's possibly why I'm in SOC's favour more with killing them. The baby swap story wasn't awful but it was sensationalist and I felt no sympathy for Ronnie whatsoever. It wasn't a good period for the show. Then it took a long time to recover, actually until DTC took over.

I totally agree with you about DTC being great up until the anniversary. Something changed afterwards. It's almost as if they decided Bobby was the killer but then didn't plot the aftermath of the reveal. It felt like they were making the story up from that point whereas everything running towards the live week was planned and carefully plotted. I also think he messed up Kathy's return a bit. Gavin could've been so good. Remember when he caught her at the station and said "Naughty girl." - ace. But then, nothing really.

We'll have to agree to disagree about SOC. I respect your opinion but I genuinely think the shows in a good place at the moment. Bex and Shakil I'll give you, but I'm intrigued to see where the story goes. I think it's a shame you're switching off because I genuinely think stuffs gonna get brilliant. But there you go.

Nice debate.
They were making it up. Bobby wasn't the original killer, it was supposed to be Jane but it got changed fairly late on. In fact, wasn't Bobby the third choice? Hadn't they considered Cindy as well? I can't remember. But yes, everything was finely planned until the live week and after that it almost seemed a case of "didn't we do well, what a shocker, aren't we brilliant for making it Bobby, now what else can we get away with, this is gonna be so much fun..." Everything from then on started becoming more like fan fiction with Gavin, Kathy, Claudette and all the rewriting of history etc
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It's definitely on the up.
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