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Old Yesterday, 21:02
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There is absolutely no way Charlie would stay away this long, surely Dot is still in contact with him? I'd even accept if Dot was to take Matthew to Charlie off screen, I really hope Jack doesn't bugger off to Ongar with Matthew
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Old Yesterday, 21:18
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There is absolutely no way Charlie would stay away this long, surely Dot is still in contact with him? I'd even accept if Dot was to take Matthew to Charlie off screen, I really hope Jack doesn't bugger off to Ongar with Matthew
I agree. Matthew belongs with HIS dad. Charlie wanted Charlie and only left him as Ronnie already lost 2 children. Ronnie also appears to have made him cut ties woth the square. Hopefully he gets news of the deaths and gets Matthew and gets back in contact with Dot if they haven't already.
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Old Yesterday, 21:21
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Does Dot know where Charlie is? I thought Vincent was the only one who knew, and obviously he only got back tonight.

Although I did wonder if Charlie was the person Jack phoned.
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Old Yesterday, 21:25
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I could see him making an appearance at the funeral or before or after. Vincent has cleaned his act up and was only ever trying to bring Ronnie down over a family feud. I doubt he'll try to stop Charlie from returning. He's pretty much a harmless family man more involved with his bar, Kim, Pearl, Denise and Patrick.

The fact Dot hasn't pondered this yet surprises me.

Charlie is registered as Matthew's father and he raised him for months while Ronnie was in hospital. It's only fair to let him have biological son. Jack can take Amy and Ricky anywhere he wants. Roxy's dead and Sam probably doesn't want Ricky back.

If he returns, I could see Vincent possibly stepping in to explain to Jack what happened. At least it sheds some light on Ronnie's antics. At least SOC could fix that after DTC wrote Charlie out in the stupidest way possible, thereby erasing him from all memory.

After Heather died, George was sent to live with Darren Miller.
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Old Yesterday, 21:26
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I am sure they will dispatch Matthew in due course. But as someone says above does anyone know where Charlie is? If Charlie can't be found or doesn't want him it is down to the two grandmothers to decide Matthew's future, not Jack.
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Old Yesterday, 21:41
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I mentioned in another thread about anyone knowing where he was. This to me is unlikely. Vincent is the one with answers but even now Charlie could have moved on from where he left him. But the deaths are likely to be in the news so Charlie could see it in a paper and get in touch. Depends if he is even in the country!

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Old Yesterday, 21:48
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I think if the actor is available they will try and get him back as there is story milage in it. Heartbreaking scenes of Jack having to say goodbye to Matthew.

However if the actor can't come back, they will do an off-screen handover or he will leave when Glenda goes. I can't see them wanting to keep such a young child around without its mother as there are no stories for him.

That bottom spoiler made me wonder if it involves Danny after tonight plus others.
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Old Yesterday, 21:56
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Dot said something about the children being R&R's legacy so I think if Matthew is to return in the future then he should be with Jack.
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Old Yesterday, 21:58
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I agree. Matthew belongs with HIS dad. Charlie wanted Charlie and only left him as Ronnie already lost 2 children. Ronnie also appears to have made him cut ties woth the square. Hopefully he gets news of the deaths and gets Matthew and gets back in contact with Dot if they haven't already.
I disagree, Matthew will have been way too young to even remember Charlie, but he will recognise Jack as his dad, be familiar with Ricky and Amy and the other surrounding family.

He won't really understand his mum being gone and so to uproot him from everything he knows would be wrong
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Old Yesterday, 21:58
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Dot Should have told Charlie
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Old Yesterday, 22:03
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I disagree, Matthew will have been way too young to even remember Charlie, but he will recognise Jack as his dad, be familiar with Ricky and Amy and the other surrounding family.

He won't really understand his mum being gone and so to uproot him from everything he knows would be wrong
Including Dot who was always watching him when Ronnie was not doing her family act before Jack returned and being left with anyone who could take him . Dot could go and stay with Charlie off screen for a few weeks and settle Matthew .Jack has no legal rights

Also Ricky was all of a sudden brought to stay with Jack when he didn't know him either
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Old Yesterday, 22:28
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I disagree, Matthew will have been way too young to even remember Charlie, but he will recognise Jack as his dad, be familiar with Ricky and Amy and the other surrounding family.

He won't really understand his mum being gone and so to uproot him from everything he knows would be wrong
Mathew is young enough to adjust . It can be done slowely introducing him to Charlie for a few hours , then a day , then overnight . Its a well known proceedure for kids who are adopted from foster care .
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Old Yesterday, 22:55
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Dot said something about the children being R&R's legacy so I think if Matthew is to return in the future then he should be with Jack.
I would like to see that happen but I think they will play this one by the book to heap more heartache - unless Jack does a runner with all of them.

With tonight's Duff Duff announcing Jack is moving to Ongar still, I wondered if he will actually stay in Walford now for a bit?
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Old Yesterday, 23:13
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Does Dot know where Charlie is? I thought Vincent was the only one who knew, and obviously he only got back tonight.

Although I did wonder if Charlie was the person Jack phoned.
Just watched it and I was wondering who Jack was on the phone too aswell. Although I doubt he would have Charlie's details
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Old Yesterday, 23:16
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Is there any mention of either of them having a will?

Jack was lucky he married Ronnie before she drowned as he will inherit all her assets as husband. Did Roxy have anything to leave in her Estate bar her drug stash?
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Old Yesterday, 23:40
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Is there any mention of either of them having a will?

Jack was lucky he married Ronnie before she drowned as he will inherit all her assets as husband. Did Roxy have anything to leave in her Estate bar her drug stash?
Jack will not inherit all of Ronnie's assets/estate because she has a living child - Matthew who is entitled to some of the estate.

I'm copying my answer from another thread here, mainly because there's no point in typing the info again, in that thread someone was assuming that Matthew and Amy were now the owners of number 27:

Matthew and Amy will NOT automatically own 50% of the house each as Ronnie would have been legally intestate. A marriage invalidates any wills drawn up before it occurred. Any will Roxy left would be valid.

If Roxy had a will, the estate will be divided as she wished after probate. Any bequests left by Roxy to Ronnie will be returned to estate and counted under the "remainder of my estate" clause of the will unless the will specifies that the bequest is of the "to my sister XXX and her descendants" type or that " should my sister predecease me, her child will inherit in her place" (the dead can not inherit).

If both Ronnie and Roxy died intestate (i.e. without a valid will) after probate, all of Roxy's assets and personal property would be inherited by Amy. As Ronnie was married to Jack, the law says that Jack gets all her assets (including property), up to £250,000, as well as all her personal possessions (whatever their value). Any other assets above £250,000 would be divided with half going to Jack and the other half to Matthew (or if Ronnie had more than one living child, the other half would be split between the kids). If Ronnie and Jack had a joint bank account, that will not count as part of Ronnie's estate at all as it legally became Jack's alone when she died!

Assuming Roxy does not have huge debts, Amy gets her half of number 27, and Ronnie's half is either split between Jack and Matthew or goes to Jack as part of the £250,000. It's also very likely that anything Amy inherits will go into a Trust for her and that Jack would manage it.
Original post in in this thread : http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?t=2196322

Of course, any debts that are claimed on the estate are paid before anyone inherits. I sincerely doubt that either Roxy or Ronnie owes enough to swallow up the whole of their estates. In Roxy's case the estate is her personal possessions and her half of number 27.
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Old Yesterday, 23:44
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Jack will not inherit all of Ronnie's assets/estate because she has a living child - Matthew who is entitled to some of the estate.

I'm copying my answer from another thread here, mainly because there's no point in typing the info again, in that thread someone was assuming that Matthew and Amy were now the owners of number 27:



Original post in in this thread : http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?t=2196322

Of course, any debts that are claimed on the estate are paid before anyone inherits. I sincerely doubt that either Roxy or Ronnie owes enough to swallow up the whole of their estates. In Roxy's case the estate is her personal possessions and her half of number 27.
Unless Ronnie made a new will in contemplation of marriage.
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Old Yesterday, 23:44
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I would like to see that happen but I think they will play this one by the book to heap more heartache - unless Jack does a runner with all of them.

With tonight's Duff Duff announcing Jack is moving to Ongar still, I wondered if he will actually stay in Walford now for a bit?
I have a feeling Maslen was given the boot along with the girls. They all kind of come together really.

I think it would be nice to have Jack and Glenda be around for a while but I can't see SOC investing in these characters anymore now that R&R are dead. He is writing the R&R epilogue now - even including that rat Danny.

I think all these characters will be gone after the funeral for good. Until a future producer reverses the situation whereby Carl's family faked Ronnie's death and have been keeping her in a basement for 5 years
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Old Yesterday, 23:55
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I disagree, Matthew will have been way too young to even remember Charlie, but he will recognise Jack as his dad, be familiar with Ricky and Amy and the other surrounding family.

He won't really understand his mum being gone and so to uproot him from everything he knows would be wrong

He is 2 now and harldy anyone remembers anything when they are that young. My earliest memories are around 4/5. I don't know lf anyone who remembers anything from an age younger than that. He belongs with his biological dad. George got sent to his dad despite Shirley being around wanting to raise him.
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He is 2 now and harldy anyone remembers anything when they are that young. My earliest memories are around 4/5. I don't know lf anyone who remembers anything from an age younger than that. He belongs with his biological dad. George got sent to his dad despite Shirley being around wanting to raise him.
It is widely thought that our memory only really starts when language is more developed . So four or five is mostly considered to be when memories become lasting . Before that flashbacks will kick in but no lasting memories
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Old Today, 00:47
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My guess is we will probably have a telephone conversation where Dot convinces Charlie that Matthew is better off with Jack so he can remain with Amy and Ricky and they can be brought up together as though they were all siblings.
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Old Today, 00:49
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Given how much thought was put into the central storyline, do we honestly think Charlie Cotton has come up once during any production meetings? The first time anyone from EE would have thought about that would have been if they saw this thread.
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Given how much thought was put into the central storyline, do we honestly think Charlie Cotton has come up once during any production meetings? The first time anyone from EE would have thought about that would have been if they saw this thread.
Ronnie questioned the wedding date because it was the same date as when she married Charlie, mentioning him by name.
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