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Old 05-01-2017, 22:06
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I don't.
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Old 05-01-2017, 22:10
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Thanks for letting us know.
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Old 05-01-2017, 22:12
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Yes, no one wants to know if Russia managed to rig the election for the US's highest elected office, one with global power and prestige. It's a storm in a tea cup really, isn't it?
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Old 05-01-2017, 22:14
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It about time we got news about are own Country America has too much problem and why do we need too know them.
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Old 05-01-2017, 22:15
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I think Putin tried to hack my computer too. I got around 10 emails over the last 2 years identical to the phishing scam email Podesta received and stupidly clicked on.
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Old 05-01-2017, 22:16
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If they have do you really think they'd restrict it to just the US. The possibility of cyberattacks should concern everyone considering a lot of countries utilities (including our own) rely heavily on computers.
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Old 05-01-2017, 22:17
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It about time we got news about are own Country[spoiler]"
"Are own country"- maybe you should get a grasp of "are own language"!
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Old 06-01-2017, 01:19
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Agree, it does seem to be treated by the media with more importance than it deserves. (That's assuming the russian hacks had anything whatsoever to do with the stuff ending up on wikileaks - not a given if you read other credible sources)

Every first world country hacks into other countries political leaders and parties, and not necessarily to leak anything. Didn't America hack Angela Merkel's phone? According to this source, a man close to Assange, the US govt intelligence services (NSA) monitor wikileaks so know what info Wikileaks are receiving and where its come from:
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archi...lusion-deceit/

So if the mainstream media had a shred of credibility they'd explain that every modern country regularly hacks (or attempts to hack) into every other countries political system to find out what's going on, i.e. its no big deal. But for some bizarre reason the western mainstream media is as keen as the western govts to start a new cold war.
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Old 06-01-2017, 06:53
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Don't forget stuxnet
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Old 06-01-2017, 07:10
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It about time we got news about are own Country America has too much problem and why do we need too know them.
Innit tho?
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Old 06-01-2017, 07:43
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If the US intelligence agencies can prove that Trump is lying about the Russian hacking allegations then he could be brought down before being inaugurated. I'd say that was "interesting" to put it mildly.
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Old 06-01-2017, 08:00
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If the US intelligence agencies can prove that Trump is lying about the Russian hacking allegations then he could be brought down before being inaugurated. I'd say that was "interesting" to put it mildly.
Could this turn into Trump's Watergate?

He openly encouraged a foreign power to hack/leak a political opponents emails/computers.

Joe Biden has told Trump to grow up...America's top intelligence official told congress yesterday he's more confidence of Russia's attempts to manipulate the Presidential Election...

Director of National Intelligence James Clapper said he had a very high level of confidence that Russia hacked Democratic Party institutions and operatives, as well as disseminating propaganda and fake news aimed at the November 8 election
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Old 06-01-2017, 08:09
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Could this turn into Trump's Watergate?
It could be. Making enemies of the US intelligence services is probably one of the most stupid things Trump has done.

Or it could all blow over and be forgotten in a week.
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Old 06-01-2017, 08:16
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Agree, it does seem to be treated by the media with more importance than it deserves. (That's assuming the russian hacks had anything whatsoever to do with the stuff ending up on wikileaks - not a given if you read other credible sources)
Yet, during the Referendum campaign a Pre3sident openly says 'back of the queue' and the media and public were outraged that this was interfering. The same with the EU or officials from the EU....the shout was "how dare they" interfere in our referendum.

The hacking/spying/monitoring isn't the main issue, US intelligence believe (rightly or wrongly) Russia leaked/used that information to meddle in the Presidential election.

And please stop the nonsense about the main stream media not reporting this or that, it was The Guardian that published the Edward Snowden files. My main source of news is the BBC, yet I know America spied on Merkel and she was miffed.
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Old 06-01-2017, 08:29
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It could be. Making enemies of the US intelligence services is probably one of the most stupid things Trump has done.

Or it could all blow over and be forgotten in a week.
Trump definitely knows how to play the media and divert attention.

I would have thought the intelligence service would working to befriend the next President to keep their jobs, and as I understand it this originally broke ages ago with a commercial company reporting heavy traffic accessing certain sites.

It will be interesting to see if this builds and builds like Watergate....but Trump does have a knack of seeing trouble off.
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Old 06-01-2017, 08:57
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Yes, the credit crunch should have demonstrated how interconnected the world is - problems in the US will end up costing us in the UK. Not only that but the US is also leader of the free world - if it descends into an isolationist, with many of the basic freedoms we have enjoyed eroded.

Then finally we have an expansionist Russian Federation which puts our security at risk.
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Unread 06-01-2017, 13:34
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The hacking/spying/monitoring isn't the main issue, US intelligence believe (rightly or wrongly) Russia leaked/used that information to meddle in the Presidential election.
And? Problem is there's been no evidence to show Russia did anything other than make some Americans look paranoid. But states do this kind of thing anyway-

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mockingbird
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Trump definitely knows how to play the media and divert attention.

I would have thought the intelligence service would working to befriend the next President to keep their jobs, and as I understand it this originally broke ages ago with a commercial company reporting heavy traffic accessing certain sites.

It will be interesting to see if this builds and builds like Watergate....but Trump does have a knack of seeing trouble off.
Yes, how dare the Americans do such a thing.
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Unread 06-01-2017, 13:50
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And? Problem is there's been no evidence to show Russia did anything other than make some Americans look paranoid. But states do this kind of thing anyway-

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mockingbird

Just because all states engage in cyber-warfare it does not mean that it can be ignored and passed off - nor is it a case of no evidence either. A number of the private companies involved have published what they found.

The intelligence services will be publishing a declassified report next week.
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And? Problem is there's been no evidence to show Russia did anything other than make some Americans look paranoid. But states do this kind of thing anyway-

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mockingbird
You know how Russia works. Deny first, then admit to it in about 20 years time.
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Unread 06-01-2017, 14:16
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People should care. There are suggestions they may be trying to destabilise or disrupt the EU in some form through cyber attacks and who knows, the UK might be next on their list.
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Unread 06-01-2017, 14:18
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Just because all states engage in cyber-warfare it does not mean that it can be ignored and passed off - nor is it a case of no evidence either. A number of the private companies involved have published what they found.
But nothing very compelling. The rest is hypocrisy. So Snowden revealed mass surveillance on enemies and allies alike. That shouldn't have been suprising as that's what state intelligence services do, although for budgetary reasons, not all on the scale of the US. Same with attempting to influence other states. Then there's the political hypocrisy. Clinton blamed a politicised FBI for it's investigations into her email and 'charity'. Now the Democrats are using this to throw mud at Trump.

Plus of course the threats of 'retaliation'. Just because it's virtual warfare, it doesn't mean it won't get regarded as a hostile act with potentially serious consequences.
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Unread 06-01-2017, 14:32
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But nothing very compelling. The rest is hypocrisy. So Snowden revealed mass surveillance on enemies and allies alike. That shouldn't have been suprising as that's what state intelligence services do, although for budgetary reasons, not all on the scale of the US. Same with attempting to influence other states. Then there's the political hypocrisy. Clinton blamed a politicised FBI for it's investigations into her email and 'charity'. Now the Democrats are using this to throw mud at Trump.

Plus of course the threats of 'retaliation'. Just because it's virtual warfare, it doesn't mean it won't get regarded as a hostile act with potentially serious consequences.
That's a ridiculous false-equivalency. Comey came out days before the election and tried to swing the vote by giving a ridiculous (and baseless) press release.

Now Congress and Obama are investigating Russian hacking, and you're saying those things are the same. That's hilarious.
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Unread 06-01-2017, 14:39
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Now Congress and Obama are investigating Russian hacking, and you're saying those things are the same. That's hilarious.
You don't see any similarities? Why has Russian hacking suddenly become such an issue when alleged hacks must have happened months ago, and gone unnoticed or uninvestigated?
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Unread 06-01-2017, 15:10
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You don't see any similarities? Why has Russian hacking suddenly become such an issue when alleged hacks must have happened months ago, and gone unnoticed or uninvestigated?
Because of the way it influenced voters - which is likely to have been the whole point, in so doing Russia has a leader more conducive to Russian Foreign policy.
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