Waiting for Martin to demand why she failed to attend the funerals of both her parents
EE - Martin and 'Chelle
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Originally Posted by Gardena:
“I'm waiting for Stacy to hit her with a fruit bowl or frying pan .”
“I'm waiting for Stacy to hit her with a fruit bowl or frying pan .”
Or put a scratchy pillow over her face
Rest easy guys. She's not truly 'the' Michelle until she insists Stacey puts a fruit bowl on display.
Michelle was never this precious. Towels are made of cotton fgs. Maybe she could make herself useful and take over the family washing. And talking about washing...has she been to see her mum's best pal, Dot, yet.
Originally Posted by vald:
“Michelle was never this precious. Towels are made of cotton fgs. Maybe she could make herself useful and take over the family washing. And talking about washing...has she been to see her mum's best pal, Dot, yet.”
“Michelle was never this precious. Towels are made of cotton fgs. Maybe she could make herself useful and take over the family washing. And talking about washing...has she been to see her mum's best pal, Dot, yet.”
She wasn't thus precious no but time does change people. So dies money and whilst I doubt she's rolling in it, she has probably had more in the last 20 years than prior to that.
I love this. Miserable Stacy has to put up with someone happy (but with a big secret) well done Michelle for not killing Stacy
Originally Posted by kitkat1971:
“She wasn't thus precious no but time does change people. So dies money and whilst I doubt she's rolling in it, she has probably had more in the last 20 years than prior to that.”
“She wasn't thus precious no but time does change people. So dies money and whilst I doubt she's rolling in it, she has probably had more in the last 20 years than prior to that.”
Don't get me wrong Kat, I like the way they're writing her, and it will do Stacey good to have to cope with Martin's relative for a change. I do think we're meant to find her slightly ridiculous though.
Originally Posted by vald:
“Don't get me wrong Kat, I like the way they're writing her, and it will do Stacey good to have to cope with Martin's relative for a change. I do think we're meant to find her slightly ridiculous though.”
“Don't get me wrong Kat, I like the way they're writing her, and it will do Stacey good to have to cope with Martin's relative for a change. I do think we're meant to find her slightly ridiculous though.”
Oh I agree, we're meant to be finding her annoying, at least as far as her behaviour as a house guest goes. Which is prett h horrendous. Even if it is your brother's hone, you don't change the heating, take over the kitchen etc.
That said, as you say, Martin has had to put up with Slaters turning up, moving in and taking over so it's quite satisfying to see Stace have to cope with his relatives for a change.
I do wonder if there is more to some of this than just Michelle being awkward. Whether there is a health issue making her overly sensitive to cokd or abrasive materials as some have suggested.
Originally Posted by kitkat1971:
“Oh I agree, we're meant to be finding her annoying, at least as far as her behaviour as a house guest goes. Which is prett h horrendous. Even if it is your brother's hone, you don't change the heating, take over the kitchen etc.
That said, as you say, Martin has had to put up with Slaters turning up, moving in and taking over so it's quite satisfying to see Stace have to cope with his relatives for a change.
I do wonder if there is more to some of this than just Michelle being awkward. Whether there is a health issue making her overly sensitive to cokd or abrasive materials as some have suggested.”
“Oh I agree, we're meant to be finding her annoying, at least as far as her behaviour as a house guest goes. Which is prett h horrendous. Even if it is your brother's hone, you don't change the heating, take over the kitchen etc.
That said, as you say, Martin has had to put up with Slaters turning up, moving in and taking over so it's quite satisfying to see Stace have to cope with his relatives for a change.
I do wonder if there is more to some of this than just Michelle being awkward. Whether there is a health issue making her overly sensitive to cokd or abrasive materials as some have suggested.”
There's me thinking she's just feeling the cold after Florida?....interesting.
Originally Posted by vald:
“There's me thinking she's just feeling the cold after Florida?....interesting.”
“There's me thinking she's just feeling the cold after Florida?....interesting.”
Could well be. There'd be nothing wrong with that as an explanation.
But it might indicate something else is amiss.
They really are annoying . All that "remember when..... " giggle giggle nudge nudge day after day . My OH has a sister abroad who he never contacts. No phone calls, no cards, nothing . But when she comes 'home' for a visit they are unbearable . Like two toddlers overdosed on E numbers . It used to drive me nuts , but it's just how some people are and I just grit my teeth and bear it these days .
I hope Stacy cracks and tells Vicki to Foxtrot Oscar . Oh and I hope she gets Martin to get another job on top of the stall, to pay for the huge gas bill due in a few weeks and all the fluffy towels and shit that Vicki is online ordering to them .Cheeky cow .
I hope Stacy cracks and tells Vicki to Foxtrot Oscar . Oh and I hope she gets Martin to get another job on top of the stall, to pay for the huge gas bill due in a few weeks and all the fluffy towels and shit that Vicki is online ordering to them .Cheeky cow .
A few are suggesting she might have a terminal illness but would they really bother recasting Michelle just to kill her off for closure?
It would have been easier just to do it off-screen. She wouldn't be the first. And Michelle's closest family (Tim, Vicky, Mark) are all off-screen (atm) also so she'd have had her family around her at least. Martin and Sharon could have flown over.
A 'we never saw a body' thing probably wouldn't have arisen with Martin and Sharon returning to Walford talking about what happened. Some off-screen deaths are final. Nobody questions Mark's or Angie's as Angie was with Sharon at the time and Mark was ill when he left and the hospice was in touch with Pauline. I think people would understand as well due to the circumstances with Susan Tully.
Michelle dying any time soon won't have much of an impact because long term viewers are still getting used to the new actress while younger fans don't even know the character.
It would be a waste to kill Chelle off. I'm not sure I'll ever fully buy the recast but I still think she can add some value. I'm not minding her so far.
It would have been easier just to do it off-screen. She wouldn't be the first. And Michelle's closest family (Tim, Vicky, Mark) are all off-screen (atm) also so she'd have had her family around her at least. Martin and Sharon could have flown over.
A 'we never saw a body' thing probably wouldn't have arisen with Martin and Sharon returning to Walford talking about what happened. Some off-screen deaths are final. Nobody questions Mark's or Angie's as Angie was with Sharon at the time and Mark was ill when he left and the hospice was in touch with Pauline. I think people would understand as well due to the circumstances with Susan Tully.
Michelle dying any time soon won't have much of an impact because long term viewers are still getting used to the new actress while younger fans don't even know the character.
It would be a waste to kill Chelle off. I'm not sure I'll ever fully buy the recast but I still think she can add some value. I'm not minding her so far.
I dread to think what kind of new characters this producer is planning, so far he's forced Libby, Dereck and Michelle on us. YAWN
Originally Posted by kitkat1971:
“She wasn't thus precious no but time does change people. So dies money and whilst I doubt she's rolling in it, she has probably had more in the last 20 years than prior to that.”
“She wasn't thus precious no but time does change people. So dies money and whilst I doubt she's rolling in it, she has probably had more in the last 20 years than prior to that.”
I don't believe she would have ever turned out to be this annoying. She's at Pauline levels.with Sonia.
Martin's reaction towards her I get. Both his parents are dead, as is his brother, so I get him basking in the mothering that Michelle is bestowing on him. But, this isn't Michelle. Recast or not, Michelle wouldn't act this way. She always made a ton of mistakes, but she wasn't ever an annoying shrew.
Originally Posted by LHolmes:
“A few are suggesting she might have a terminal illness but would they really bother recasting Michelle just to kill her off for closure?
It would have been easier just to do it off-screen. She wouldn't be the first. And Michelle's closest family (Tim, Vicky, Mark) are all off-screen (atm) also so she'd have had her family around her at least. Martin and Sharon could have flown over.
A 'we never saw a body' thing probably wouldn't have arisen with Martin and Sharon returning to Walford talking about what happened. Some off-screen deaths are final. Nobody questions Mark's or Angie's as Angie was with Sharon at the time and Mark was ill when he left and the hospice was in touch with Pauline. I think people would understand as well due to the circumstances with Susan Tully.
Michelle dying any time soon won't have much of an impact because long term viewers are still getting used to the new actress while younger fans don't even know the character.
It would be a waste to kill Chelle off. I'm not sure I'll ever fully buy the recast but I still think she can add some value. I'm not minding her so far.”
“A few are suggesting she might have a terminal illness but would they really bother recasting Michelle just to kill her off for closure?
It would have been easier just to do it off-screen. She wouldn't be the first. And Michelle's closest family (Tim, Vicky, Mark) are all off-screen (atm) also so she'd have had her family around her at least. Martin and Sharon could have flown over.
A 'we never saw a body' thing probably wouldn't have arisen with Martin and Sharon returning to Walford talking about what happened. Some off-screen deaths are final. Nobody questions Mark's or Angie's as Angie was with Sharon at the time and Mark was ill when he left and the hospice was in touch with Pauline. I think people would understand as well due to the circumstances with Susan Tully.
Michelle dying any time soon won't have much of an impact because long term viewers are still getting used to the new actress while younger fans don't even know the character.
It would be a waste to kill Chelle off. I'm not sure I'll ever fully buy the recast but I still think she can add some value. I'm not minding her so far.”
Her being sick(& I'm not convinced she is, it's just a possibility) wouldn't have to be terminal though.
I agree that recasting her just to kill her off seems a bit daft.
Although Corrie did it with Susan Barlow but she, despite being a legacy character due to her parentage, was never a pivotal or popular character.
Originally Posted by emma1420:
“I don't believe she would have ever turned out to be this annoying. She's at Pauline levels.with Sonia.
Martin's reaction towards her I get. Both his parents are dead, as is his brother, so I get him basking in the mothering that Michelle is bestowing on him. But, this isn't Michelle. Recast or not, Michelle wouldn't act this way. She always made a ton of mistakes, but she wasn't ever an annoying shrew.”
“I don't believe she would have ever turned out to be this annoying. She's at Pauline levels.with Sonia.
Martin's reaction towards her I get. Both his parents are dead, as is his brother, so I get him basking in the mothering that Michelle is bestowing on him. But, this isn't Michelle. Recast or not, Michelle wouldn't act this way. She always made a ton of mistakes, but she wasn't ever an annoying shrew.”
I'm reserving judgement as I do believe peopke change and suspect her being more like Pauline is deliberate. Pauline became more like Lou after Lou died although she never commanded the same levels of respect and fear.
Also, whatever this secretv is might have some bearing on it.
I love that Stacy finally has to put up with Martins relatives ... Martin has had to suffer it long enough and without much complaint to be fair.
I see Michelle's behaviour differently. To me she is a woman who has come 'home' after 20 years away and she's come home because she desperately needs the comfort of home ( for whatever reason yet to be disclosed ) But everything has changed, her parents are dead, her brother has a new family, her friends are busy with her own problems, and everyone else she knew has gone. Even the square has changed, houses look different, decor etc. So I think this 'channeling' of Pauline is her way of trying to make it feel like home rather than a strange disorientated place where actually she doesn't really fit in. It's like she trying to find her roots or make a claim that it is her home. The visit to the allotments and trying to restore it is the same. And she's latching onto Martin as he's the only one really who can share the memories. It would be nice to see more scenes with Ian and it's a shame she arrived just after Dot left the launderette as that is probably the one place that hasn't changed in 20 years and where she'd have felt instantly at home!
I think there is also a sense of signposting Michelle's heritage with viewers who don't remember her first stint.
Either way, I quite like it and don't mind the references or her annoying behaviour. I am certainly more like my mum and more annoying than I was 20 years ago! I also recently returned to live somewhere I left just over 10 years ago and you do look for signs of home and try to re establish your roots.
I see Michelle's behaviour differently. To me she is a woman who has come 'home' after 20 years away and she's come home because she desperately needs the comfort of home ( for whatever reason yet to be disclosed ) But everything has changed, her parents are dead, her brother has a new family, her friends are busy with her own problems, and everyone else she knew has gone. Even the square has changed, houses look different, decor etc. So I think this 'channeling' of Pauline is her way of trying to make it feel like home rather than a strange disorientated place where actually she doesn't really fit in. It's like she trying to find her roots or make a claim that it is her home. The visit to the allotments and trying to restore it is the same. And she's latching onto Martin as he's the only one really who can share the memories. It would be nice to see more scenes with Ian and it's a shame she arrived just after Dot left the launderette as that is probably the one place that hasn't changed in 20 years and where she'd have felt instantly at home!
I think there is also a sense of signposting Michelle's heritage with viewers who don't remember her first stint.
Either way, I quite like it and don't mind the references or her annoying behaviour. I am certainly more like my mum and more annoying than I was 20 years ago! I also recently returned to live somewhere I left just over 10 years ago and you do look for signs of home and try to re establish your roots.
Originally Posted by bel110:
“I love that Stacy finally has to put up with Martins relatives ... Martin has had to suffer it long enough and without much complaint to be fair.
I see Michelle's behaviour differently. To me she is a woman who has come 'home' after 20 years away and she's come home because she desperately needs the comfort of home ( for whatever reason yet to be disclosed ) But everything has changed, her parents are dead, her brother has a new family, her friends are busy with her own problems, and everyone else she knew has gone. Even the square has changed, houses look different, decor etc. So I think this 'channeling' of Pauline is her way of trying to make it feel like home rather than a strange disorientated place where actually she doesn't really fit in. It's like she trying to find her roots or make a claim that it is her home. The visit to the allotments and trying to restore it is the same. And she's latching onto Martin as he's the only one really who can share the memories. It would be nice to see more scenes with Ian and it's a shame she arrived just after Dot left the launderette as that is probably the one place that hasn't changed in 20 years and where she'd have felt instantly at home!
I think there is also a sense of signposting Michelle's heritage with viewers who don't remember her first stint.
Either way, I quite like it and don't mind the references or her annoying behaviour. I am certainly more like my mum and more annoying than I was 20 years ago! I also recently returned to live somewhere I left just over 10 years ago and you do look for signs of home and try to re establish your roots.”
“I love that Stacy finally has to put up with Martins relatives ... Martin has had to suffer it long enough and without much complaint to be fair.
I see Michelle's behaviour differently. To me she is a woman who has come 'home' after 20 years away and she's come home because she desperately needs the comfort of home ( for whatever reason yet to be disclosed ) But everything has changed, her parents are dead, her brother has a new family, her friends are busy with her own problems, and everyone else she knew has gone. Even the square has changed, houses look different, decor etc. So I think this 'channeling' of Pauline is her way of trying to make it feel like home rather than a strange disorientated place where actually she doesn't really fit in. It's like she trying to find her roots or make a claim that it is her home. The visit to the allotments and trying to restore it is the same. And she's latching onto Martin as he's the only one really who can share the memories. It would be nice to see more scenes with Ian and it's a shame she arrived just after Dot left the launderette as that is probably the one place that hasn't changed in 20 years and where she'd have felt instantly at home!
I think there is also a sense of signposting Michelle's heritage with viewers who don't remember her first stint.
Either way, I quite like it and don't mind the references or her annoying behaviour. I am certainly more like my mum and more annoying than I was 20 years ago! I also recently returned to live somewhere I left just over 10 years ago and you do look for signs of home and try to re establish your roots.”
Good post, and it makes perfect sense.
I do think Stacey could be more tolerant and patient with her, after all Belinda was equally annoying and I don't remember Martin grumbling. She even made Bex feel unwelcome when she came to live with them and then took off leaving them high and dry for her share of the rent and Stacey out of work.
Besides I rather enjoy the annoying characters.
Originally Posted by bel110:
“I love that Stacy finally has to put up with Martins relatives ... Martin has had to suffer it long enough and without much complaint to be fair.
I see Michelle's behaviour differently. To me she is a woman who has come 'home' after 20 years away and she's come home because she desperately needs the comfort of home ( for whatever reason yet to be disclosed ) But everything has changed, her parents are dead, her brother has a new family, her friends are busy with her own problems, and everyone else she knew has gone. Even the square has changed, houses look different, decor etc. So I think this 'channeling' of Pauline is her way of trying to make it feel like home rather than a strange disorientated place where actually she doesn't really fit in. It's like she trying to find her roots or make a claim that it is her home. The visit to the allotments and trying to restore it is the same. And she's latching onto Martin as he's the only one really who can share the memories. It would be nice to see more scenes with Ian and it's a shame she arrived just after Dot left the launderette as that is probably the one place that hasn't changed in 20 years and where she'd have felt instantly at home!
I think there is also a sense of signposting Michelle's heritage with viewers who don't remember her first stint.
Either way, I quite like it and don't mind the references or her annoying behaviour. I am certainly more like my mum and more annoying than I was 20 years ago! I also recently returned to live somewhere I left just over 10 years ago and you do look for signs of home and try to re establish your roots.”
“I love that Stacy finally has to put up with Martins relatives ... Martin has had to suffer it long enough and without much complaint to be fair.
I see Michelle's behaviour differently. To me she is a woman who has come 'home' after 20 years away and she's come home because she desperately needs the comfort of home ( for whatever reason yet to be disclosed ) But everything has changed, her parents are dead, her brother has a new family, her friends are busy with her own problems, and everyone else she knew has gone. Even the square has changed, houses look different, decor etc. So I think this 'channeling' of Pauline is her way of trying to make it feel like home rather than a strange disorientated place where actually she doesn't really fit in. It's like she trying to find her roots or make a claim that it is her home. The visit to the allotments and trying to restore it is the same. And she's latching onto Martin as he's the only one really who can share the memories. It would be nice to see more scenes with Ian and it's a shame she arrived just after Dot left the launderette as that is probably the one place that hasn't changed in 20 years and where she'd have felt instantly at home!
I think there is also a sense of signposting Michelle's heritage with viewers who don't remember her first stint.
Either way, I quite like it and don't mind the references or her annoying behaviour. I am certainly more like my mum and more annoying than I was 20 years ago! I also recently returned to live somewhere I left just over 10 years ago and you do look for signs of home and try to re establish your roots.”
Really good post and I complety agree.
There was even that line in her first episode when she said "I thought I did" when asked if she knew the area. She is clinging onto family traditions as a form of comfort and trying to reground herself. And as I've said previously, deceased parents idiosyncrasies to become remembered more fondly whereas they probabky annoyed when alive.
I'm certainly more like both my parents now I'm in my mid 40s than I wss on my mid 20s. At least how I've always known them, obviously I don't know what they were like when they were young.
Whist I do think somebody's basic chatacter is set by early adulthood so I wouldn't expect Michelle to have very different attitudes to morality than she dud when she was 25 for exampke, I do think ageing and the life experiences that come with it inevitably change your personakity a littke bit. Becoming more weary, disillusioned, perhaps bitter, that kind of thing. So why shouldn't she have become more shrewish and sentimental about her dead relatives?
I do also agree that they will partly be strolling down memory lane so much to establish her links to newer viewers.
Originally Posted by MARTYM8:
“Will we ever find out why she is here and not in sunny Florida.”
“Will we ever find out why she is here and not in sunny Florida.”
Yes. They've said there will be an episode where she tells Sharon.
Where Michelle's return has really failed is that there was no big drama to her return for the people closest to her. Sharon, Ian and Martin had all seen Michelle recently (off screen) so her rocking up to the square again isnt that exciting. A novelty to the viewers, yes, but not to those characters.
Why was there not more made of her reunion with her Aunty Kathy who she presumed dead all these years ? Nothing mentioned at all. Why no reunion with Dot, her mums dear friend, who was such a close family friend to her also.
No one with any "interesting" ties either as Grant, Mark Jnr and Vicky all absent. Basically she is boring as hell. Her return has, to put it bluntly, been crap.
Why was there not more made of her reunion with her Aunty Kathy who she presumed dead all these years ? Nothing mentioned at all. Why no reunion with Dot, her mums dear friend, who was such a close family friend to her also.
No one with any "interesting" ties either as Grant, Mark Jnr and Vicky all absent. Basically she is boring as hell. Her return has, to put it bluntly, been crap.
Originally Posted by kitkat1971:
“I'd assume she did it at the launderette where she worked and then she told them so they knew the lengths she went to for them.”
“I'd assume she did it at the launderette where she worked and then she told them so they knew the lengths she went to for them.”
My Nan had a top loading washing machine when I was little in the mid-80s; she had to connect it to the taps in the kitchen to do a wash so it never got hot enough for sheets/towels/terry-cloth nappies. She used to boil them on the stove in a special, big metal pot thing with washing powder (only ever used for the washing).
It wouldn't surprise me if Lou and Pauline had done the same; Michelle seemed to be saying that the sheets and towels couldn't go in the regular wash (which Pauline definitely did at the launderette). If you're interested, my Nan did get a properly plumbed in washing machine - my uncle had it fitted while she was on holiday because he thought the boiling the sheets thing was "Victorian" and "an accident waiting to happen" - the last said as my sister and I were sitting on the top loading washing machine and tumbler drier as they vibrated back and forth across the kitchen towards where Nan was lugging her boiling pot of water and washing about.
Originally Posted by Nefersitra:
“My Nan had a top loading washing machine when I was little in the mid-80s; she had to connect it to the taps in the kitchen to do a wash so it never got hot enough for sheets/towels/terry-cloth nappies. She used to boil them on the stove in a special, big metal pot thing with washing powder (only ever used for the washing).
It wouldn't surprise me if Lou and Pauline had done the same; Michelle seemed to be saying that the sheets and towels couldn't go in the regular wash (which Pauline definitely did at the launderette). If you're interested, my Nan did get a properly plumbed in washing machine - my uncle had it fitted while she was on holiday because he thought the boiling the sheets thing was "Victorian" and "an accident waiting to happen" - the last said as my sister and I were sitting on the top loading washing machine and tumbler drier as they vibrated back and forth across the kitchen towards where Nan was lugging her boiling pot of water and washing about.”
“My Nan had a top loading washing machine when I was little in the mid-80s; she had to connect it to the taps in the kitchen to do a wash so it never got hot enough for sheets/towels/terry-cloth nappies. She used to boil them on the stove in a special, big metal pot thing with washing powder (only ever used for the washing).
It wouldn't surprise me if Lou and Pauline had done the same; Michelle seemed to be saying that the sheets and towels couldn't go in the regular wash (which Pauline definitely did at the launderette). If you're interested, my Nan did get a properly plumbed in washing machine - my uncle had it fitted while she was on holiday because he thought the boiling the sheets thing was "Victorian" and "an accident waiting to happen" - the last said as my sister and I were sitting on the top loading washing machine and tumbler drier as they vibrated back and forth across the kitchen towards where Nan was lugging her boiling pot of water and washing about.”
That is all quite possibke re the labour intensive, and yes dangerous, boiling on the stove thing but I was really replying to the poster that stated that Pauline couldn't have done it as she didn't have a washing machine. No, she didn't but she had access to them at work.
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