Attack the argument not the poster.


Because it isn't like someone looking for a job, cares whether they are in a job market that has lots of low paid jobs and lots of competition from immigrants, or fewer higher paid jobs and less competition from immigrants.

Either way they have problems but at least they could have them in a country with a lower population.

Less than the damage a high population and lack of social cohesion would cause from having too many immigrants in the country.

And incase people don't realise the cost to the economy from Brexit, isn't because of those who voted OUT, it is because of the Capitalists who are really the ones gambling with our economy.

Even if immigration stopped completely we would still have a big population, with social issues, like we always have. Your world isn't going to change much.

Stopping a flood still means we have a flood, but at least that flood doesn't get any higher.

Do you know anyone that wants to let a flood happen when their house is already flooded?
Or do most people want to stop the flood and let the waters die down?

Are you not the poster, how believes no one should be forced to work for a living ? well if they dont work dont you need immigrants to do the job you dont want to do ?

So can we sign you up to a 20% cut in your benefits?

Are not most countires Capitalists countries ?

There is no flood of course. Restricting immigration via Brexit will make a tiny difference. It will make a few people feel better but the population will stay much the same.

No you need employers to pay more so that people will do the jobs they didn't want to do at lower pay.

If the citizens income was in place then jobs would have to pay more to entice people to work in them.

But lets bring in cheap labour because that's the humane thing to do.

How much money would you want?

As long as I have roof over my head and food in my stomach I don't care how much money I have.
I do care about the quality of life, which would be damaged by a high population.

I don't want money. I want time.

Of course there is a flood. Net immigration is 300,000 a year. We need a new town every year to cover that rise.

We should have a negative net immigration rate.

Just one example:

https://www.theguardian.com/society/...deloitte-study

There are other factors to consider for the future to for which immigration and the economy are intertwined.

Not sure how you equate that to net immigration at over 300,000 a year. That's an extra 3 million in ten years.
Where do you think we are going to house them when we can't provide enough now? Where are the schools going to be to educate their children? How many jobs will be available for them?
How will the NHS cope with that additional number when it is struggling now?

koantemplation is worried about the population right now. It isn't going to change very much even if all immigration is blocked. There will still be too many people for him/her.

BIB: Precisely. AI & robots will ensure less, not more.

Where is the evidence that there will be a massive downturn as a result of Brexit? It was made pretty clear that growth was likely slow in the short term to medium term but other than that who know.

There is no evidence to support what your saying. Would seem that people are happy to accept small downturn in the economy in return for control of the border and control over laws

But what do you class as lower pay ? the more you increase pay the more chance you have of business looking to send work jobs over seas to be done, there are really on two types of jobs ones that have to be done on UK soil and ones that dont

Which is why we change the world, rather than race to the bottom.

But thanks to weak governments and immigration, we have less power in the world than we used to have.

All these people wanting to come to this country do so because we have a great country, yet most seem to want to destroy what make it great.

We need to show a better way, so that people will want change in their country too.

That is true enough but then business these days is happy enough for taxpayers to top up its employees earnings with in-work benefits which to an extent encourages and enables it to keep pay lower.

Sorry to tell you, but the uk cannot change the world, and our government has no control over other countries, and what do you call power in the world

But not just employers, the uk public have a hand in this as they dont like to pay more for goods or services to increase the cost to an employer and the cost get passed on the the public who moan about price increase on goods or services

So, you wouldn't be interested in serving coffee or stacking shelves all day for £30,000 a year.


The main thing which would damage your "quality of life" is having to go to the effort of doing a job. Just be grateful that the taxpayer is willing to pay for that roof over your head, the food in your stomach and your computer.