It's either immigration or the economy

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tim59

06-01-2017

Originally Posted by koantemplation:
“Yes? And now you can vote for a Green UK Government that will do something about the Environment.”

If you believe any uk government would put this kind of thing first you are living in dream land

Blairdennon

06-01-2017

Originally Posted by Cheetah666:
“Its not an assumption that countries are better off left to develop at their own pace and in their own way, its a fact, and it has nothing to do with the nonsense you attributed to me about "everybody living a life of love, peace and happiness for all". Countries are better off left alone because it allows them to go through whatever trials and tribulations their own culture produces and find ways to deal with them. That's how countries progress. Once colonisation enters the picture, all the most progressive forces in society are preoccupied with getting rid of the invader and as a consequence, when they do finally achieve independence, they are left playing catch up both psychologically and politically.”

Of course it is an assumption. The Aztecs developing at their own pace slaughtered many people as human sacrifices, the native Americans were continually fighting amongst themselves. Britain developing at its own pace and with its own culture wanted to export that culture around the world, just like the Japanese, the Chinese, the Persians, the Greeks, the Romans, the Carthaginians, the Moors, the Ottomans, the Mongols, the Germans, the Vikings. It is the way of the world. The UK is also playing catch up both psychologically and politically as a result of its acts of colonialism. If only it had not occurred we would all be better off but it did and we have to learn to live with history as it occurred not bemoan what 'could have been' if only that nasty country had kept its fingers out. Oh dear William the Conqueror all is not forgiven and we could have been so different.

Cheetah666

06-01-2017

Originally Posted by Blairdennon:
“Of course it is an assumption. The Aztecs developing at their own pace slaughtered many people as human sacrifices, the native Americans were continually fighting amongst themselves. Britain developing at its own pace and with its own culture wanted to export that culture around the world, just like the Japanese, the Chinese, the Persians, the Greeks, the Romans, the Carthaginians, the Moors, the Ottomans, the Mongols, the Germans, the Vikings. It is the way of the world. The UK is also playing catch up both psychologically and politically as a result of its acts of colonialism. If only it had not occurred we would all be better off but it did and we have to learn to live with history as it occurred not bemoan what 'could have been' if only that nasty country had kept its fingers out. Oh dear William the Conqueror all is not forgiven and we could have been so different.”

So we should learn nothing from the mistakes of the past then?

As for William the Conqueror, he shouldn't be "forgiven", whatever that even means in an historical context, he should be looked at honestly. Do you get taught that in history lessons, or is it just a load of old ballix about the Domesday Book and how the Normans brought civilisation to a previously backward nation? One of his nicknames was William the Bastard, and looked at honestly, it suits him.

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