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Jamie Oliver slims down with six restaurants shut amid Brexit pain
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Mr Moritz
Yesterday, 12:33
Originally Posted by TheEngineer:
“Brexit is sounding more and more like a cult - no criticism of Brexit allowed and nothing bad can ever be blamed on Brexit.”

Constructive criticism is not a problem, being a conduit for others news or views is a bit of a problem especially when you seem unable to add anything of worth re what you post.
jmclaugh
Yesterday, 12:37
Originally Posted by Doctor_Wibble:
“Certainly I think it would be interesting to see the demographics in the areas around the ones that are closing before we start to blame the looming brexit itself, or whether to point the finger at the people hiding in their basements since reading the result - though that's assuming there's anything beyond basic business (or lack of) that led to the closures.”

Exeter was one of the few areas in the South West that voted to remain, as for demographics, 51% female, 49% male, the average age of people in Exeter is 38, while the median age is 35. 547 people identified as a Jedi Knight and 26 people said they believe in Heavy Metal.

http://localstats.co.uk/census-demog...th-west/exeter

I'm not sure if this in any way explains why Oliver's Italian restaurant there is closing.
TheEngineer
Yesterday, 12:38
Originally Posted by Mr Moritz:
“Constructive criticism is not a problem, being a conduit for others news or views is a bit of a problem especially when you seem unable to add anything of worth re what you post.”

Hmmm.... you mean adding things of worth like

"You lost get over it"
or
"we are leaving"
or
"Yawn"
Parker45
Yesterday, 12:40
Originally Posted by ShaunIOW:
“Lets see if I'm clear:

Any bad news (however spurious) is down to Brexit even though it hasn't happened yet?
Any goods news is in spite of Brexit because it hasn't happened yet?”

This and other businesses are suffering because (as the article says) of the drop in the £ which was entirely due to the Leave vote. You can expect further drops in the £ as the Brexit process continues.
moox
Yesterday, 12:40
Originally Posted by jmclaugh:
“Well if it wasn't he'd be closing more of them as they are all subject to the same fall in the value of the £. But hey ho good news is because Brexit hasn't happened yet and bad news is because the vote was for Brexit.”

Well... no, not if he can raise prices (or find other ways to make the money back). Maybe people in London or Reading can afford to pay extra, whereas people in Exeter can't or won't.

But a sudden, drastic increase in costs (such as through a plummeting pound - an undeniable response to Brexit) can tip even a well-run business over.
Peter_Gibbins
Yesterday, 12:41
Originally Posted by Aristaeus:
“So this is the Brexiteers plan is it? Smear any business that says it has been negatively harmed by the Brexit vote by saying that the real reason must be it is a poor business/shop/restaurant.”

well Jamie's public image is pushing local produce and supporting local suppliers.

Jamie's commercial businesses sign contracts with foreign food suppliers, because they provide large volume at cheaper prices than local suppliers can.... also means that across the chain, all supplies are the "same" thus equal quality in each restaurant, rather than depending upon local produce etc.

however this article is completely misleading - he's shut restaurants before due to poor sales/expensive rents etc, and in one case, one of his butchers was shut due to failing a local authority health & safety inspection! none of those factors are Brexit related, so this could be seen as yet another failed enterprise which is closing due to numerous circumstances, and now people are grasping at straws to associate it directly to Brexit, when there is no evidence that this is the sole reason for a business closing.
jmclaugh
Yesterday, 12:42
Originally Posted by moox:
“Well... no, not if he can raise prices (or find other ways to make the money back). But a sudden, drastic increase in costs (such as through a plummeting pound - an undeniable response to Brexit) can tip even a well-run business over.”

Well yes as he's only closing 6 out of 42, do the other 36 use a different currency?
Alrightmate
Yesterday, 12:43
It's interesting how so many news articles can be linked to Brexit simply by creating a headline where on the end you add "...following Brexit" or "...amid fears of Brexit" or whatever combination of words you choose to use with Brexit.

I had to cut back on my spending after Christmas ......after the Brexit vote.

I imagine that although there may be some articles which may perhaps refer to thoughtful content, much of what seems to be created seems to be based around the word Brexit because the word lends itself to being clickbait.
Mark_Jones9
Yesterday, 12:46
Originally Posted by Parker45:
“This and other businesses are suffering because (as the article says) of the drop in the £ which was entirely due to the Leave vote. You can expect further drops in the £ as the Brexit process continues.”

Yet on average overall businesses seem to be doing well according to GDP and PMI figures. Services, manufacturing, construction all up. Especially up is goods exports in part due to the fall in the GBP.

While as I mentioned earlier consumer spending in (non fast food) restaurants is up by double digits, so some restaurateurs are presumably thriving.
jaycee331
Yesterday, 12:50
Originally Posted by jmclaugh:
“Well yes as he's only closing 6 out of 42, do the other 36 use a different currency?”

Exactly my first thought. Sounds like bull to me. If the other 36 are staying open, all this tells me is that the 6 to be closed were under-performing to begin with.
Doctor_Wibble
Yesterday, 12:54
Originally Posted by jmclaugh:
“... I'm not sure if this in any way explains why Oliver's Italian restaurant there is closing.”

Me neither, I just thought it might be one of those things with a nice easy answer, e.g. the area is 97% vegetarian and the restaurant didn't have enough variation on side salads and coleslaw to cope.

So it turns out that the places are closing for some fairly uninteresting reasons. Unfortunate but not politically exciting, and as the proverbial world+dog has managed to figure out, not a lot to do with brexit.
FusionFury
Yesterday, 12:55
Posh git need to wind his neck in with his expensive Italians

It's all about the Ramsey anyway with actual fatty food and steak.
Mr Oleo Strut
Yesterday, 12:56
Originally Posted by TheEngineer:
“Jamie Oliver slims down with six restaurants shut amid Brexit pain

http://news.sky.com/story/jamie-oliv...-pain-10719490





Pressure is starting to build.”

I like some of his recipes, don't like his slap-dash kitchen style, and pity his kids because of their silly names. I've never used his restaurants - I'm too mean - but sympathise with all the good and decent people who will be loosing their jobs. If Brexit is to blame then that's very sad. I don't suppose Mr Oliver will suffer too much.
FusionFury
Yesterday, 12:57
Originally Posted by Slojo:
“If you want Italian food the last place you would go to is one of Mockney Jamie Oliver's overpriced cafes.”

This

You'll go to an authentic Italian
Camp Freddie
Yesterday, 13:05
Below is a link on how Mr Oliver`s business`s were doing before the referendum. Hard to see how even the OP could attribute that to the vote on leaving the EU. Sad and desperate straw clutching stuff, as per usual.



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ng-empire.html
Slojo
Yesterday, 13:05
Originally Posted by Aristaeus:
“So this is the Brexiteers plan is it? Smear any business that says it has been negatively harmed by the Brexit vote by saying that the real reason must be it is a poor business/shop/restaurant.”

Brexit has nothing to do with it I was unfortunate enough to be taken to one of his Italian restaurants. It was overpriced and the food was c**p.

Increased import prices may be playing a part but customers voting with their feet and not eating there are a bigger problem.
Andrew1954
Yesterday, 13:09
It'll do him good. I've thought he's looked a tad overweight and pasty for a while.
Jayceef1
Yesterday, 13:11
Originally Posted by moox:
“Well... no, not if he can raise prices (or find other ways to make the money back). Maybe people in London or Reading can afford to pay extra, whereas people in Exeter can't or won't.

But a sudden, drastic increase in costs (such as through a plummeting pound - an undeniable response to Brexit) can tip even a well-run business over.”

I doubt that the residents of Tunbridge Wells, Richmond or Ludgate have problems finding a few pennies to rub together.

The major mark up in his restaurants could easily accommodate for the rise in ingredient costs (not everything would be imported).
bamber
Yesterday, 13:12
Originally Posted by Jayceef1:
“So what about these? Seems not just a one off.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/cele...anagement.html

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...-jack-branches”


game, set and match.
CSJB
Yesterday, 13:19
If Brexit helps rid our shores of anything asssoiciated with the fat hypocrite then it has to be a good thing.
Sadly, brexit can't take the credit for this, as it has absolutely nothing to do with it whatsoever.
Anybody that thinks otherwise really needs to take some time out for quiet reflection - that means you spamgineer.
MajorZero
Yesterday, 13:20
Originally Posted by Aristaeus:
“So this is the Brexiteers plan is it? Smear any business that says it has been negatively harmed by the Brexit vote by saying that the real reason must be it is a poor business/shop/restaurant.”

Pre-Brexit he had restaurants in trouble too. He's well known in the trade for bad management and quality.

It's very interesting that it's people like Jamie and M&S among the first to blame Brexit - just google the history of all their business problems over recent years? I'd be more inclined to take seriously a business that was actually running well prior and isn't looking to find an excuse for their shareholders.
jmclaugh
Yesterday, 13:23
Originally Posted by moox:
“Well... no, not if he can raise prices (or find other ways to make the money back). Maybe people in London or Reading can afford to pay extra, whereas people in Exeter can't or won't.
”

Carluccios in Exeter is always busy, it is just around the corner from Oliver's, prices are much the same.
MargMck
Yesterday, 13:23
Originally Posted by Jayceef1:
“So what about these? Seems not just a one off.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/cele...anagement.html

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...-jack-branches”

Originally Posted by bamber:
“game, set and match.”

Yep, good finds Jaycee.

I do hope The Engineer or some of the others determined to pin Oliver's latest fiasco on Brexit feel emboldened to return for dessert and defend their claims.
SnowStorm86
Yesterday, 13:24
When I read this article on the BBC news website and saw that Jamie was laying the blame on Brexit, I just had to stop by this forum to see if TheEngineer had done the honours.
EuroFoxi
Yesterday, 13:28
Originally Posted by MargMck:
“Yep, good finds Jaycee.

I do hope The Engineer or some of the others determined to pin Oliver's latest fiasco on Brexit feel emboldened to return for dessert and defend their claims.”

I'll have the tiramisu if you're offering!
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