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Shawshank Puzzler
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bri160356
Yesterday, 15:55
Originally Posted by gashead:
“Is that the ones about the wizard school? Was that Clint Eastwood?! Blimey, he only looks about twelve in the first one. It's amazing what they can do with CGI these days.”

Clint Eastwood played 'Nasty Harry Callaghan’,…a San Francisco detective;

….you’re thinking of the schoolboy ‘Dirty Harry Potter’.
gashead
Yesterday, 16:03
Originally Posted by bri160356:
“Clint Eastwood played 'Nasty Harry Callaghan’,…a San Francisco detective;

….you’re thinking of the schoolboy ‘Dirty Harry Potter’.”

Ah, I see. It's so easy to get those dudes mixed up.
Payne by name
Yesterday, 17:29
Clearly it would be affixed to the wall at the top. There's a scene when they are showing him scraping the wall when he is behind the poster and it is attached to the wall to the top and the sides.

On the night of leaving, I guess he would have secured it at the top two corners, lifted it up from the bottom, climbed through and let gravity hold it back against the wall.
muggins14
Yesterday, 17:35
Originally Posted by Payne by name:
“Clearly it would be affixed to the wall at the top. There's a scene when they are showing him scraping the wall when he is behind the poster and it is attached to the wall to the top and the sides.

On the night of leaving, I guess he would have secured it at the top two corners, lifted it up from the bottom, climbed through and let gravity hold it back against the wall.”

People have talked about this scene all over the world

If he let it hang and let gravity hold it back, as you say, then it wouldn't have been taut enough for the stone to have gone through the poster when the warden threw it.

We are talking about a film though, one has to use a little imagination regarding the poster scene as it's just so good!
muggins14
Yesterday, 17:42
I remember back in the day working in a video shop and Shawshank coming in as one of the videos we'd never heard of, for us to watch and see if we should stock it.

Of course we loved it and recommended it to everybody.

The strangest thing with Shawshank is that it was a box office bomb but now often sits at the top of people's film lists and, indeed, is IMDB's top rated film, as well as Empire's. All due to word of mouth. As Red himself said, all it takes is pressure and time.
Muttley76
Yesterday, 17:53
Theres an establishing shot in the film were we see he tacks his posters at the top only.


Originally Posted by paulsh1:
“Just in case any one really hasn't seen it

But...

Spoiler
I am convinced that it isn't really Tim Robbins in the final long range shot on the beach but a body double and was filmed as an afterthought after he had finished? Why would you film that scene from so far away??
”

Spoiler
Theres a bit of a back story with this scene. The Stephen King story ends with Red on the bus and 'i hope'. However one of the producers felt that not having them meet cheated the audience. Therefore they did in fact go to film that scene with Robbins and Freeman and there was actually a few lines of dialogue exchanged, something along the lines of the first conversation that they had when they met. However when editing it, the director felt it was a bit cheesy so edited it so that we see them see each other in medium shot and then pull in to the long shot, as this gives a sense of their freedom. But they were definitely there....
muggins14
Yesterday, 17:58
Originally Posted by Muttley76:
“Theres an establishing shot in the film were we see he tacks his posters at the top only.




Spoiler
Theres a bit of a back story with this scene. The Stephen King story ends with Red on the bus and 'i hope'. However one of the producers felt that not having them meet cheated the audience. Therefore they did in fact go to film that scene with Robbins and Freeman and there was actually a few lines of dialogue exchanged, something along the lines of the first conversation that they had when they met. However when editing it, the director felt it was a bit cheesy so edited it so that we see them see each other in medium shot and then pull in to the long shot, as this gives a sense of their freedom. But they were definitely there....
”

You can tell it's Robbins - there aren't that many people around as tall as him, especially in Hollywood (He's 6'4-6'5 depending on the site you read).
Muttley76
Yesterday, 18:02
Originally Posted by muggins14:
“People have talked about this scene all over the world

If he let it hang and let gravity hold it back, as you say, then it wouldn't have been taut enough for the stone to have gone through the poster when the warden threw it.

We are talking about a film though, one has to use a little imagination regarding the poster scene as it's just so good!”

I think it can be justified by saying it's improbable but not impossible the stone would go through the poster. A one in a million shot is still a shot after all
Grafenwalder
Yesterday, 18:02
Originally Posted by muggins14:
“I remember back in the day working in a video shop and Shawshank coming in as one of the videos we'd never heard of, for us to watch and see if we should stock it.

Of course we loved it and recommended it to everybody.

The strangest thing with Shawshank is that it was a box office bomb but now often sits at the top of people's film lists and, indeed, is IMDB's top rated film, as well as Empire's. All due to word of mouth. As Red himself said, all it takes is pressure and time.”

I always thought that odd too but it shows how fickle the movie industry can be and certainly so called critics! It's gripping from the start with the heli-shots taken approaching the prison then flying overhead. In it's day as a Reformatory it must certainly have been a daunting experience seeing that for the first time!

Then there are the memorable classic quotes.

Interesting site here with various locations (use drop down menu under "begin your journey") http://www.shawshanktrail.com/
Muttley76
Yesterday, 18:07
Originally Posted by Grafenwalder:
“I always thought that odd too but it shows how fickle the movie industry can be and certainly so called critics! It's gripping from the start with the heli-shots taken approaching the prison then flying overhead. In it's day as a Reformatory it must certainly have been a daunting experience seeing that for the first time!

Then there are the memorable classic quotes. ”

It did get quite good reviews and was nominated for several oscars, albeit it wasn't viewed as favourably then as now. Mark Kermode was a big supporter of the film at the time.

It just somehow didn't connect with the cinema audience, the trailer did kind of make it look like just another prison movie.

eta: i suspect the oscar nominations initially aided it on video release, then the phenomenal word of mouth kicked in.

I did see it at the cinema funny enough. Not many can honestly say that
UrGleekIsShowin
Yesterday, 18:08
I've seen this question before somewhere, and couldn't come to an answer Might just be an inconsistency. Not sure it would've been possible for him to have put the poster back up from the other side.
Grafenwalder
Yesterday, 18:18
Originally Posted by Muttley76:
“It did get quite good reviews and was nominated for several oscars, albeit it wasn't viewed as favourably then as now. Mark Kermode was a big supported of the film at the time.

It just somehow didn't connect with the cinema audience, the trailer did kind of make it look like just another prison movie.

I did see it at the cinema funny enough. Not many can honestly say that ”

No i can't. I first saw it on television. I've no idea what the budget was but imagine it's more than paid it's way by now and the tourist industry seems to be making plenty from it too!


Originally Posted by UrGleekIsShowin:
“I've seen this question before somewhere, and couldn't come to an answer Might just be an inconsistency. Not sure it would've been possible for him to have put the poster back up from the other side.”

I think i'm going to settle with one of the camera crew stuck it back after waving Andy goodbye! After all, they were definitely in the cell.
JurassicMark
Yesterday, 18:22
Was thinking about this exact thing after watching it the other night.

As others have said, it only needs to be secure at the top so it's possible to lift up the poster from the bottom, get in the hole then let the poster drop back down.

Originally Posted by muggins14:
“People have talked about this scene all over the world

If he let it hang and let gravity hold it back, as you say, then it wouldn't have been taut enough for the stone to have gone through the poster when the warden threw it.

We are talking about a film though, one has to use a little imagination regarding the poster scene as it's just so good!”

Think it may have been possible to throw that small piece of rock through the poster without anyone noticing it not being taut but certainly think it would have been noticed when the warden slowly put his hand through that hole.

As you said, this is a film and we need to use a little imagination regarding this scene as it wouldn't have worked so well if the poster wasn't secured properly. Apart from buying him a bit more time, there was no need for him to keep the poster on the wall.
Doctor_Wibble
Yesterday, 18:44
Originally Posted by bri160356:
“...

….you’re thinking of the schoolboy ‘Dirty Harry Potter’.”

Ah so he's the one whose wheel it was in the BBC interludes?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUzGF401vLc
paulsh1
Yesterday, 18:50
Originally Posted by Muttley76:
“
Spoiler
Theres a bit of a back story with this scene. The Stephen King story ends with Red on the bus and 'i hope'. However one of the producers felt that not having them meet cheated the audience. Therefore they did in fact go to film that scene with Robbins and Freeman and there was actually a few lines of dialogue exchanged, something along the lines of the first conversation that they had when they met. However when editing it, the director felt it was a bit cheesy so edited it so that we see them see each other in medium shot and then pull in to the long shot, as this gives a sense of their freedom. But they were definitely there....
”

Thanks Muttley

I felt there was something a little rushed with that scene.
shaddler
Yesterday, 18:57
The one thing that bothers me is when he walks to his cell wearing Norton's shiny black shoes, and Red says "how often do you really look at a man's shoes?" I find it implausible that the guards wouldn't have noticed. Shoes are very noticeable to me.
bart4858
Yesterday, 19:11
The poster is the least of the questions. How did Andy know there was going to be thunder that night? Where did that rock come from? How could he be sure to break the pipe? How did he know there was no grille at the end? How could he breath in there?

And, having made it out, how could he have had time to tidy himself up, walk to town and visit a dozen banks (and then get far enough away) before the alarm was raised? I assume prisoners would leave the cells sometime before banks open.

Sometimes you just have to ignore these details in order to enjoy the story. (Eg. it's years later and Andy is still working on that boat when Red finally arrives!)

Originally Posted by muggins14:
“If he let it hang and let gravity hold it back, as you say, then it wouldn't have been taut enough for the stone to have gone through the poster when the warden threw it.”

A poster that big, attached at two corners, and resting against the wall all around, would have inertia and drag. A sharp stone thrown hard enough would be more likely to go through, than to just displace it and bounce off.
Flufan
Yesterday, 19:50
Originally Posted by bri160356:
“Clint Eastwood never did that !;…you’re obviously thinking of the wrong film.”

Or perhaps eggchen was thinking of Escape from Alcatraz, with Sean Connery and Nicolas "The Rock" Cage.

Originally Posted by paulsh1:
“Just in case any one really hasn't seen it :eek”

I love this take on how Red would have got on...
treefr0g
Yesterday, 19:51
Originally Posted by paulsh1:
“Just in case any one really hasn't seen it

But...

Spoiler
I am convinced that it isn't really Tim Robbins in the final long range shot on the beach but a body double and was filmed as an afterthought after he had finished? Why would you film that scene from so far away??
”

I thought that it was the perfect ending and have never questioned the long shot. In fact I'm not sure how else they could have done it. A similar thing was done at the end of Jaws.

And in case anybody hasn't seen Jaws

Spoiler
I'm pretty sure that was Roy Sheider and Richard Dreyfus coming out of the water.
bri160356
Yesterday, 19:51
Originally Posted by eggchen:
“I'm pulling your leg, I've seen it 100 times

Andy, being as meticulous as he is, crawls head first down the tunnel to drop off his little bag and rope, then heads back up the tunnel with a bit of bent coat hanger wire from when he was put in charge of cleaning Warden Norton's suits. He gets to the tunnel entrance, and feeds his U shaped piece of wire carefully under the poster, then twists it, pushing the corner of the poster back onto the blu-tac. Then he wriggles backwards down the tunnel with the wire and escapes.”

I’m calling foul on that theory;

…Andy escaped in 1966,…Blu-Tack was only invented in 1970.
treefr0g
Yesterday, 19:52
Originally Posted by bri160356:
“I’m calling foul on that theory;

…Andy escaped in 1966,…Blu-Tack was only invented in 1970. ”

Ooh. Good call
UrGleekIsShowin
Yesterday, 21:00
Originally Posted by Grafenwalder:
“No i can't. I first saw it on television. I've no idea what the budget was but imagine it's more than paid it's way by now and the tourist industry seems to be making plenty from it too!


I think i'm going to settle with one of the camera crew stuck it back after waving Andy goodbye! After all, they were definitely in the cell. ”

Yes, now that is more plausible
St Dabeoc
Yesterday, 21:05
Originally Posted by bri160356:
“I’m calling foul on that theory;

…Andy escaped in 1966,…Blu-Tack was only invented in 1970. ”

so there's a guy in a cell for life with a poster of Raquel Welch. I don't think it's stuck to the wall with Blu-Tack
gemma-the-husky
Yesterday, 21:10
worse still, in 18 years, they never moved inmates to another cell.
SaddlerSteve
Yesterday, 21:15
Originally Posted by Grafenwalder:
“I always thought that odd too but it shows how fickle the movie industry can be and certainly so called critics! It's gripping from the start with the heli-shots taken approaching the prison then flying overhead. In it's day as a Reformatory it must certainly have been a daunting experience seeing that for the first time!

Then there are the memorable classic quotes.

Interesting site here with various locations (use drop down menu under "begin your journey") http://www.shawshanktrail.com/”

Caught this on TV the other night and despite watching it loads of times did so again because it's a classic.

I was actually looking at the website earlier today about the filming sites and their locations.

Interesting that the oak tree was situated in Ohio and you could go visit it. Sad that it got hit by lightning a few years ago, survived, but then was finally blown over by high winds just last year.
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