Originally Posted by hoppyuppy:
“I honestly don't care but you don't KNOW.”
“I honestly don't care but you don't KNOW.”
This is not a court of law, it's a discussion forum where people are offering opinions.
If Marine Le Pen become new French President.
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Originally Posted by Eurostar:
“This is not a court of law, it's a discussion forum where people are offering opinions.”
“This is not a court of law, it's a discussion forum where people are offering opinions.”
Post 17 seemed to indicate you knew-all.
Interesting interview with her in todays guardian :
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-eu-referendum
I doubt that she will win, but I thought that about Brexit and Trump.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-eu-referendum
I doubt that she will win, but I thought that about Brexit and Trump.
I don't think she will win. Strategic voting will eliminate her before the head to head.
If she was president though. Then maybe the EU will FINALLY start reforming it's self.
If she was president though. Then maybe the EU will FINALLY start reforming it's self.
Originally Posted by CSJB:
“Interesting interview with her in todays guardian :
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-eu-referendum
I doubt that she will win, but I thought that about Brexit and Trump.”
“Interesting interview with her in todays guardian :
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-eu-referendum
I doubt that she will win, but I thought that about Brexit and Trump.”
It's hard to know what to make of her policies, seems to be a mish mash of nationalism, protectionism and with an anti-immigration element.
Interestingly, UKIP's policies seem far more extreme and to the right of hers : destruction of the EU and the Eurozone and every country going the isolationist route. Le Pen admits she would have no problem if the Euro carries on as a currency and she doesn't want to see the end of the EU.
Originally Posted by Eurostar:
“It's hard to know what to make of her policies, seems to be a mish mash of nationalism, protectionism and with an anti-immigration element.
Interestingly, UKIP's policies seem far more extreme and to the right of hers : destruction of the EU and the Eurozone and every country going the isolationist route. Le Pen admits she would have no problem if the Euro carries on as a currency and she doesn't want to see the end of the EU.”
“It's hard to know what to make of her policies, seems to be a mish mash of nationalism, protectionism and with an anti-immigration element.
Interestingly, UKIP's policies seem far more extreme and to the right of hers : destruction of the EU and the Eurozone and every country going the isolationist route. Le Pen admits she would have no problem if the Euro carries on as a currency and she doesn't want to see the end of the EU.”
I am not aware of UKIP seeking an Isolationist policy, where do you get that one from? Intergovernmental cooperation is not isolationist and one does not need a political union to have intergovernmental cooperation.
Originally Posted by Blairdennon:
“I am not aware of UKIP seeking an Isolationist policy, where do you get that one from? Intergovernmental cooperation is not isolationist and one does not need a political union to have intergovernmental cooperation.”
“I am not aware of UKIP seeking an Isolationist policy, where do you get that one from? Intergovernmental cooperation is not isolationist and one does not need a political union to have intergovernmental cooperation.”
Withdrawing from a 500m strong economic / political union which the UK has been part of for 45 years can only be seen as an act of isolationism (especially as no other country in the union has ever done such a thing). Talk of how this will be replaced by free trade deals with countries 10,000 miles away in about five or ten years' time is pretty meaningless.
Attempting to put limits on immigration from the UK's nearest neighbours when there has been full freedom of movement with them for the last 25 years can also only be seen as an isolationist policy.
Originally Posted by Cheetah666:
“Probably not as much as Brexiters hope. She would pull out of Schengen for sure, and probably also the euro, but that's about it.”
“Probably not as much as Brexiters hope. She would pull out of Schengen for sure, and probably also the euro, but that's about it.”
Yes, their eyes are lighting up and they're getting their knickers in a twist but the original French-language source polling since November has shown that François Fillon (centre right Republican) would win the first round of polling and that Le Pen and Emmanuel Macron (who he? - see here: https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ance-president ) are now pretty tied for second place so Le Pen might not even get into the second round.
Even if she did, all the other voters would gang up against her and so Fillon would win resoundingly. The march of the far right in Europe was stopped in Austria last month.
Originally Posted by Eurostar:
“Withdrawing from a 500m strong economic / political union which the UK has been part of for 45 years can only be seen as an act of isolationism (especially as no other country in the union has ever done such a thing). Talk of how this will be replaced by free trade deals with countries 10,000 miles away in about five or ten years' time is pretty meaningless.
Attempting to put limits on immigration from the UK's nearest neighbours when there has been full freedom of movement with them for the last 25 years can also only be seen as an isolationist policy.”
“Withdrawing from a 500m strong economic / political union which the UK has been part of for 45 years can only be seen as an act of isolationism (especially as no other country in the union has ever done such a thing). Talk of how this will be replaced by free trade deals with countries 10,000 miles away in about five or ten years' time is pretty meaningless.
Attempting to put limits on immigration from the UK's nearest neighbours when there has been full freedom of movement with them for the last 25 years can also only be seen as an isolationist policy.”
However UKIP's policies are to open trade globally to the UK as a UK decision and to open immigration to the world as a UK decision. Now not that I necessarily agree with those policies but as far as I can see those are the official policies which are hardly isolationist. In fact locking oneself into a closed controlled market of only about 13% of the world's population and restricting movement to only those within that same market appears more isolationist in nature.
Originally Posted by TelevisionUser:
“Yes, their eyes are lighting up and they're getting their knickers in a twist but the original French-language source polling since November has shown that François Fillon (centre right Republican) would win the first round of polling and that Le Pen and Emmanuel Macron (who he? - see here: https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ance-president ) are now pretty tied for second place so Le Pen might not even get into the second round.
Even if she did, all the other voters would gang up against her and so Fillon would win resoundingly. The march of the far right in Europe was stopped in Austria last month.”
“Yes, their eyes are lighting up and they're getting their knickers in a twist but the original French-language source polling since November has shown that François Fillon (centre right Republican) would win the first round of polling and that Le Pen and Emmanuel Macron (who he? - see here: https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ance-president ) are now pretty tied for second place so Le Pen might not even get into the second round.
Even if she did, all the other voters would gang up against her and so Fillon would win resoundingly. The march of the far right in Europe was stopped in Austria last month.”
I do think stopped is the right word. If the EU and liberal left continue with all the policies they currently adhere to then the march is bound to continue. When a point is reached where voters have had enough they turn to those who will solve those issues irrespective of what baggage is brought along with those policies. That is one lesson from history that should be taken on board.
Originally Posted by TelevisionUser:
“Yes, their eyes are lighting up and they're getting their knickers in a twist but the original French-language source polling since November has shown that François Fillon (centre right Republican) would win the first round of polling and that Le Pen and Emmanuel Macron (who he? - see here: https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ance-president ) are now pretty tied for second place so Le Pen might not even get into the second round.
Even if she did, all the other voters would gang up against her and so Fillon would win resoundingly. The march of the far right in Europe was stopped in Austria last month.”
“Yes, their eyes are lighting up and they're getting their knickers in a twist but the original French-language source polling since November has shown that François Fillon (centre right Republican) would win the first round of polling and that Le Pen and Emmanuel Macron (who he? - see here: https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ance-president ) are now pretty tied for second place so Le Pen might not even get into the second round.
Even if she did, all the other voters would gang up against her and so Fillon would win resoundingly. The march of the far right in Europe was stopped in Austria last month.”
Do you believe that Fillon is of the left? Or are the left in Europ in such reduced circumstances that a Right Wing president in France counts as a victory
Gotta love the sheer amusement of Angela Merkel of the staunchly capitalist CDP becoming a new hero of the left.....
I don't know if she really stands a genuine chance of winning, whats her polling like? but if she does win its great news for the UK in regards to Brexit so it would actually be beneficial for us if she did win.
Originally Posted by Eurostar:
“There's no way France would vote to leave the EU anyway. It's their project and they were one of the two main players who set up the EEC in 1958. The British on the other hand were late arrivals to the party fifteen years later and perhaps considered themselves outsiders from the start.”
“There's no way France would vote to leave the EU anyway. It's their project and they were one of the two main players who set up the EEC in 1958. The British on the other hand were late arrivals to the party fifteen years later and perhaps considered themselves outsiders from the start.”
Britain applied to join the Common Market in 1961, it was vetoed by the French Government in 1963, a second application vetoed by the French, so if our first application had been successful we were only 3 years after the Common Market was formed
Originally Posted by NeverEnough:
“Do you believe that Fillon is of the left? Or are the left in Europ in such reduced circumstances that a Right Wing president in France counts as a victory
Gotta love the sheer amusement of Angela Merkel of the staunchly capitalist CDP becoming a new hero of the left.....”
“Do you believe that Fillon is of the left? Or are the left in Europ in such reduced circumstances that a Right Wing president in France counts as a victory
Gotta love the sheer amusement of Angela Merkel of the staunchly capitalist CDP becoming a new hero of the left.....”
Well he has been described as a thatcherite.
Originally Posted by Eurostar:
“Withdrawing from a 500m strong economic / political union which the UK has been part of for 45 years can only be seen as an act of isolationism (especially as no other country in the union has ever done such a thing). Talk of how this will be replaced by free trade deals with countries 10,000 miles away in about five or ten years' time is pretty meaningless.
Attempting to put limits on immigration from the UK's nearest neighbours when there has been full freedom of movement with them for the last 25 years can also only be seen as an isolationist policy.”
“Withdrawing from a 500m strong economic / political union which the UK has been part of for 45 years can only be seen as an act of isolationism (especially as no other country in the union has ever done such a thing). Talk of how this will be replaced by free trade deals with countries 10,000 miles away in about five or ten years' time is pretty meaningless.
Attempting to put limits on immigration from the UK's nearest neighbours when there has been full freedom of movement with them for the last 25 years can also only be seen as an isolationist policy.”
Or alternatively leaving a closed shop and opening your self up to a world with 7 billion people - countries that are actually growing.
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