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Unread 07-01-2017, 15:07
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Yes, after her near death hypo (which she recovered from in half and hour) she was in the cafe ordering a cake. I know this isn't Casualty or Holby but you would still expect some level of medical accuracy for such a serious subject. I don't understand why they bother taking such care to get the details right with Ashleys storyline yet they are so dodgy with Kerry's diabetes which only ever surfaces as a plot device,
Seems quite realistic to me my mum was type two and completely on a suicide mission it felt, medication for her meant she could carry on as normal instead of addressing her diet. It's why I refuse medication I prefer to manage mine by diet so I am not tempted to think like she did.
Only had one hypo and I did recover quickly without even a doctor, didn't head for a cake later mind I had learned my lesson don't eat cereal for breakfast stick to eggs no matter how bored you are with them.
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Unread 07-01-2017, 15:18
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Seems quite realistic to me my mum was type two and completely on a suicide mission it felt, medication for her meant she could carry on as normal instead of addressing her diet. It's why I refuse medication I prefer to manage mine by diet so I am not tempted to think like she did.
Only had one hypo and I did recover quickly without even a doctor, didn't head for a cake later mind I had learned my lesson don't eat cereal for breakfast stick to eggs no matter how bored you are with them.
I think some people rely too heavily on medication and expect it to work wonders on its own. As far as I' m concerned it plays an important part, but there should be a holistic approach to all health conditions, so if changing your diet, socialising, getting exercise or whatever helps them those are things you should try to do, not just rely on the pills which are often only part of the answer.

I think Kerry really doesn't like herself and just doesn't value her health enough. Ironically that might change a bit if she felt healthier. I wish ED would stop portraying her and her problems as ' funny.'
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Unread 07-01-2017, 17:12
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I'd say they'll get back together eventually, but it's already been revealed that Cain will start seeing someone new who you "wouldn't expect". I thought initially it would be Chrissie but after their scene in Friday's episode I'd say it'll be Bex.
I said on another thread recently that I think it's Kerry and I still think this. He hates her so much and he definitely wouldn't be expected to be with her.
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Unread 07-01-2017, 17:14
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Yes because god forbid anyone ever uses a condom in a soap.

And Cain deserves to die alone.
I'll die alone and don't have a problem with it. On the contrary - it'll be better for my nearest and dearest.
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Unread 07-01-2017, 17:18
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I think some people rely too heavily on medication and expect it to work wonders on its own. As far as I' m concerned it plays an important part, but there should be a holistic approach to all health conditions, so if changing your diet, socialising, getting exercise or whatever helps them those are things you should try to do, not just rely on the pills which are often only part of the answer.

I think Kerry really doesn't like herself and just doesn't value her health enough. Ironically that might change a bit if she felt healthier. I wish ED would stop portraying her and her problems as ' funny.'
Yes both Kerry and Dan suffer in that way, it's sad to see them both so self loathing, when Kerry is on good form she's a nice mum and nan. Dan is a very decent man. Yet neither of them see that in themselves.
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Unread 07-01-2017, 17:22
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Yes both Kerry and Dan suffer in that way, it's sad to see them both so self loathing, when Kerry is on good form she's a nice mum and nan. Dan is a very decent man. Yet neither of them see that in themselves.
I love Dan, he's my favourite character - there's no drama, he's he's a funny, kind, caring, helpful man, just normal and I like normal
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Unread 07-01-2017, 17:31
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We seem to be in the minority, but I hope they get back together. They have great chemistry - unlike most of the current ED couples.

There were lots of problems and bad decisions, but Moira caused most of the problems in their marriage. Cain always seemed to be trying to protect her: he may have done that the wrong way but, with his family history, that isn't surprising. Now she keeps rejecting him but is still devastated when he leaves her alone. Come on, Moira - wake up.
Agree totally
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Unread 07-01-2017, 17:36
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Yes both Kerry and Dan suffer in that way, it's sad to see them both so self loathing, when Kerry is on good form she's a nice mum and nan. Dan is a very decent man. Yet neither of them see that in themselves.
Iv agree, and actually I think self loathing is a big part of Cain's problems as well, though he deals with it differently!. I think Kerry and Cain are more alike than they realise. I' m with Andy
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. Dan is a nice character, and much better when he's s not being cast as the butt of the joke, Cain's anger or Kerry's sh*t. I thought he stood up for himself to Kerry on Thursday.

A colleague of mine told me that people from the East, when they come to Britain they can't understand why we don't like ourselves! It's s very true - we've got guilt and self loathing built in to our culture and then when you add childhood abuse and neglect (we know about Cain and I wouldn't be surprised to hear Kerry has an equally bad story, if not worse) - heck it's s a wonder there aren't more murders!
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Unread 07-01-2017, 17:39
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I'll die alone and don't have a problem with it. On the contrary - it'll be better for my nearest and dearest.
I don't t want them farfing around me as I goAnyhow, with a but of luck I' ll be asleep or unconscious and won't know! Happy marriage as are no guarantee of not dying alone!
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Unread 07-01-2017, 17:43
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Just been reading an interview with Jeff Hordley, who says, about his relationship with Moira - '' The way the writers are playing it, it's the end and I'm gutted'' . He went on to say he loved working with Natalie [Moira] and thought they had made a good couple.
So sadly, it sounds as if it's over. I enjoyed them together - especially the difference it made to Cain's character. IMO they complimented each other.
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Unread 07-01-2017, 18:56
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Iv agree, and actually I think self loathing is a big part of Cain's problems as well, though he deals with it differently!. I think Kerry and Cain are more alike than they realise. I' m with Andy
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. Dan is a nice character, and much better when he's s not being cast as the butt of the joke, Cain's anger or Kerry's sh*t. I thought he stood up for himself to Kerry on Thursday.

A colleague of mine told me that people from the East, when they come to Britain they can't understand why we don't like ourselves! It's s very true - we've got guilt and self loathing built in to our culture and then when you add childhood abuse and neglect (we know about Cain and I wouldn't be surprised to hear Kerry has an equally bad story, if not worse) - heck it's s a wonder there aren't more murders!

Yes I agree with you we know why Cain is as he is it amazes me when people condemn him he is really reacting to all the hurt he suffered as a kid.

Just been reading an interview with Jeff Hordley, who says, about his relationship with Moira - '' The way the writers are playing it, it's the end and I'm gutted'' . He went on to say he loved working with Natalie [Moira] and thought they had made a good couple.
So sadly, it sounds as if it's over. I enjoyed them together - especially the difference it made to Cain's character. IMO they complimented each other.
They did, it's first believable coupling since his dalliance with the police lady, sorry her name escapes me at the moment.
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Unread 07-01-2017, 19:32
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I said on another thread recently that I think it's Kerry and I still think this. He hates her so much and he definitely wouldn't be expected to be with her.
Ughh I don't think I could watch Kerryman and Cain together. I know they said it would be a woman you wouldn't expect, but I think him pursuing Kerry would be stretching believability slightly.
My money's deff on Rebecca and if not her then Chrissie. I'd sort of like it to be Chrissie as part of her revenge against Lachlan for scamming her. I can almost imagine the look of horror on his face if Chrissie introduced Cain as his new step daddy.
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Unread 07-01-2017, 19:40
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Ughh I don't think I could watch Kerryman and Cain together. I know they said it would be a woman you wouldn't expect, but I think him pursuing Kerry would be stretching believability slightly.
My money's deff on Rebecca and if not her then Chrissie. I'd sort of like it to be Chrissie as part of her revenge against Lachlan for scamming her. I can almost imagine the look of horror on his face if Chrissie introduced Cain as his new step daddy.
I'm sticking with Kerry
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Unread 07-01-2017, 20:22
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I'd say they'll get back together eventually, but it's already been revealed that Cain will start seeing someone new who you "wouldn't expect". I thought initially it would be Chrissie but after their scene in Friday's episode I'd say it'll be Bex.
Iain McLeod didn't actually say that Cain was going to start seeing anyone else, he only said he would be tempted. I can't imagine it will be that serious, otherwise why would Cain and Moira have that make or break storyline later in the year?
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Unread 07-01-2017, 21:01
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Unread 07-01-2017, 21:07
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Well if Cain's hooking up with someone new Moira better hook up with a nice sensible man...we need a new farmer.
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Unread 07-01-2017, 21:13
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Yes I agree with you we know why Cain is as he is it amazes me when people condemn him he is really reacting to all the hurt he suffered as a kid.



They did, it's first believable coupling since his dalliance with the police lady, sorry her name escapes me at the moment.
BTW my quote was meant to say ' disfunctional' not ' distinction'!!!! My auto- correct is so weird

I do think however that both Cain and Kerry need to do something about their issues. Both need professional help if you ask me! Otherwise they' re just going to keep harming other people, especially Kyle. He can't t keep taking out his pain on others. To me I think you've got a duty to be as good a person as you can be, so you have to try to deal with these kinds of problems. I hope both characters try to tackle their issues.
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Unread 07-01-2017, 21:15
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Well if Cain's hooking up with someone new Moira better hook up with a nice sensible man...we need a new farmer.
Not Pete then???


Actually I quite like the idea of Moira being a single, matriarchal figure- a modern Annie Sugden type, but sexy with it
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Unread 07-01-2017, 21:21
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Yes I agree with you we know why Cain is as he is it amazes me when people condemn him he is really reacting to all the hurt he suffered as a kid.
Why is he a sexist prat, that always resorts to calling women slags when he argues with them
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Unread 07-01-2017, 21:44
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Not Pete then???


Actually I quite like the idea of Moira being a single, matriarchal figure- a modern Annie Sugden type, but sexy with it
You're right that would be good too. Im missing seeing friendship scenes if im honest.
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Unread 07-01-2017, 21:52
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You're right that would be good too. Im missing seeing friendship scenes if im honest.
Me too! For all the characters. I much prefer the friendship and family relationships than the eternal round of love triangles! More Moira/Diane and Cain/ Chas rather than Cain/ Moira if they can't t get their bl&ddy act together. I find Vanessa irritating but Moira and Rhona or Laurel could be mates, and Moira used to be quite friendly with Chas too. I could see them all having things in common! Or maybe she could become friendly with Vic?
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Unread 07-01-2017, 23:35
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Me too! For all the characters. I much prefer the friendship and family relationships than the eternal round of love triangles! More Moira/Diane and Cain/ Chas rather than Cain/ Moira if they can't t get their bl&ddy act together. I find Vanessa irritating but Moira and Rhona or Laurel could be mates, and Moira used to be quite friendly with Chas too. I could see them all having things in common! Or maybe she could become friendly with Vic?
I love her friendship with Vanessa and i thought more wpuld come from Diane and Chas after Holly death but no. Maybe there is a blood relation of Moira's? There's so much of her married family.
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BTW my quote was meant to say ' disfunctional' not ' distinction'!!!! My auto- correct is so weird

I do think however that both Cain and Kerry need to do something about their issues. Both need professional help if you ask me! Otherwise they' re just going to keep harming other people, especially Kyle. He can't t keep taking out his pain on others. To me I think you've got a duty to be as good a person as you can be, so you have to try to deal with these kinds of problems. I hope both characters try to tackle their issues.
I so agree with this. I have major self esteem issues and mental health problems, a lot of which is related to my upbringing. I struggled for years then finally sought professional help as I knew I couldn't go on the way I was. I know you're in a similar position and I think that's partly why we recognise it in Cain and Kerry.
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I so agree with this. I have major self esteem issues and mental health problems, a lot of which is related to my upbringing. I struggled for years then finally sought professional help as I knew I couldn't go on the way I was. I know you're in a similar position and I think that's partly why we recognise it in Cain and Kerry.
I feel a bit embarrassed, my upbringing had its issues but was nowhere near as bad as what Cain and so many in reality had I think I must make my poor Dad ( and he had it worse than me too)sound awful, when he's actually a very nice person, he just has problems, but he tried his best

I think though that women internalise it, whereas lads who are brought up with that level of violence tend to become quite violent themselves. It just perpetuates itself, unless so done can break that cycle.
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Unread Yesterday, 01:32
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I feel a bit embarrassed, my upbringing had its issues but was nowhere near as bad as what Cain had I think I must make my poor Dad sound awful, when he's s actually a very nice person, he just has problems, but he tried his best
My situation was different in that alcohol wasn't involved - it was more drip feeding stuff over many. many years (on my mother's part). My father's part was a bit more complicated but nothing like what Cain went through. It's a case of we all have our own experiences and can empathise with those who do too even though some people don't look below the surface, eg some people think Cain is a monster, Kerry is vulgar and don't look further.
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