Remainers - imagine you're in charge. How would you handle the outcome of the referendum? Seek parliamentary approval to ignore the result? Try and persuade the electorate that the vote was too close to call and should be ignored? Set up a review to consider the options? Or some other response?
How would Remainers handle Brexit?
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Too much emphasis has been placed on the result of a non binding referendum whose result was split down the middle.
I believe a lot of other countries would go the pragmatic route and admit "We have a major problem on our hands here and this outcome is a mess, let's see what we can do to sort it out sensibly". The problem in the UK though is that the Leave campaign and their many pals in the media are extremely vocal and shouting "The will of the people" from the rooftops. Which makes me think there will be no pragmatic outcome and Theresa May might even have to send the British economy over the edge of a cliff in order to keep them quiet.
I believe a lot of other countries would go the pragmatic route and admit "We have a major problem on our hands here and this outcome is a mess, let's see what we can do to sort it out sensibly". The problem in the UK though is that the Leave campaign and their many pals in the media are extremely vocal and shouting "The will of the people" from the rooftops. Which makes me think there will be no pragmatic outcome and Theresa May might even have to send the British economy over the edge of a cliff in order to keep them quiet.
Originally Posted by plymouthbloke1974:
“If you're asking most of the Remoaners on here, they'd ignore the result without consultation.”
“If you're asking most of the Remoaners on here, they'd ignore the result without consultation.”
Ignoring the result would be an option. There would be a political backlash of doing that which they would have to manage. So ignoring the result may not be the best option. But let's see what they come up with.
Originally Posted by plymouthbloke1974:
“If you're asking most of the Remoaners on here, they'd ignore the result without consultation.”
“If you're asking most of the Remoaners on here, they'd ignore the result without consultation.”
Well, we didn't know what we voted for. It's for the best
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... And leavers would have a point. But what would you do?
Originally Posted by Eurostar:
“Too much emphasis has been placed on the result of a non binding referendum whose result was split down the middle.
I believe a lot of other countries would go the pragmatic route and admit "We have a major problem on our hands here and this outcome is a mess, let's see what we can do to sort it out sensibly". The problem in the UK though is that the Leave campaign and their many pals in the media are extremely vocal and shouting "The will of the people" from the rooftops. Which makes me think there will be no pragmatic outcome and Theresa May might even have to send the British economy over the edge of a cliff in order to keep them quiet.”
“Too much emphasis has been placed on the result of a non binding referendum whose result was split down the middle.
I believe a lot of other countries would go the pragmatic route and admit "We have a major problem on our hands here and this outcome is a mess, let's see what we can do to sort it out sensibly". The problem in the UK though is that the Leave campaign and their many pals in the media are extremely vocal and shouting "The will of the people" from the rooftops. Which makes me think there will be no pragmatic outcome and Theresa May might even have to send the British economy over the edge of a cliff in order to keep them quiet.”
... And leavers would have a point. But what would you do?
I think if I was in charge I'd do a runner like Cameron
You voted for it ............you sort it out
You voted for it ............you sort it out
I imagine if a Pro-Remain government held the Brexit referendum and the populace voted to
leave the EU, they would accept the result and go for a "soft Brexit" and try to work how to leave the EU while keeping some of its benefits. I imagine they would also consult other countries about how Brexit would affect them (especially France and Ireland).
leave the EU, they would accept the result and go for a "soft Brexit" and try to work how to leave the EU while keeping some of its benefits. I imagine they would also consult other countries about how Brexit would affect them (especially France and Ireland).
Originally Posted by Andrew1954:
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... And leavers would have a point. But what would you do?”
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... And leavers would have a point. But what would you do?”
Admit publicly that the way things have panned out is a shambles and perhaps leave open the option of remaining in the EU or a second referendum of some description (not necessarily an in / out referendum) if the mess cannot be sorted out. If it became evident the UK economy was about to go over the edge of a cliff if it Brexit was pressed ahead with, then I would insist there would have to be a get out clause to stop this from happening.
This is probably what the majority of countries would do in the same situation. They would not come out with May's mantra of "We are leaving the EU and will be seeking the best possible deal".
Simple.
Not my mess.
You did it.
You want it.
You forking sort it.
Ludicrous to imagine we would even want to get involved.
Not my mess.
You did it.
You want it.
You forking sort it.
Ludicrous to imagine we would even want to get involved.
Originally Posted by Eurostar:
“Admit publicly that the way things have panned out is a shambles and perhaps leave open the option of remaining in the EU or a second referendum of some description (not necessarily an in / out referendum) if the mess cannot be sorted out. If it became evident the UK economy was about to go over the edge of a cliff if it Brexit was pressed ahead with, then I would insist there would have to be a get out clause to stop this from happening.
This is probably what the majority of countries would do in the same situation. They would not come out with May's mantra of "We are leaving the EU and will be seeking the best possible deal".”
“Admit publicly that the way things have panned out is a shambles and perhaps leave open the option of remaining in the EU or a second referendum of some description (not necessarily an in / out referendum) if the mess cannot be sorted out. If it became evident the UK economy was about to go over the edge of a cliff if it Brexit was pressed ahead with, then I would insist there would have to be a get out clause to stop this from happening.
This is probably what the majority of countries would do in the same situation. They would not come out with May's mantra of "We are leaving the EU and will be seeking the best possible deal".”
Then almost half the country loses faith in democracy and doesn't bother to vote. Total crazy talk.
I think its a joke to keep throwing another vote till you get the result you want. What if we voted leave again. What then?? Risk a UKIP Government?
Even Remainers have now accepted the result. If Remain had won I would have accepted it. Not insist we Brexit,
Originally Posted by Mr_XcX:
“Then almost half the country loses faith in democracy and doesn't bother to vote. Total crazy talk.
I think its a joke to keep throwing another vote till you get the result you want. What if we voted leave again. What then?? Risk a UKIP Government?
Even Remainers have now accepted the result. If Remain had won I would have accepted it. Not insist we Brexit,”
“Then almost half the country loses faith in democracy and doesn't bother to vote. Total crazy talk.
I think its a joke to keep throwing another vote till you get the result you want. What if we voted leave again. What then?? Risk a UKIP Government?
Even Remainers have now accepted the result. If Remain had won I would have accepted it. Not insist we Brexit,
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The government have a duty to protect the unity of the country and to protect the economy from serious damage. I believe this supercedes the result of a non binding referendum.
Let's imagine that the cabinet took a decision to leave the EU but within a year or so it became evident that this would have a disastrous effect on the economy. They would immediately be free to reverse the decision and nobody would even scarcely bat an eyelid. If the outcome of a referendum is patently going to be damaging to a country, the government should have the right to take emergency action : perhaps delay implementing the result or holding a second referendum.
Originally Posted by Mr_XcX:
“Even Remainers have now accepted the result. If Remain had won I would have accepted it. Not insist we Brexit,”
“Even Remainers have now accepted the result. If Remain had won I would have accepted it. Not insist we Brexit,
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Peter Bone, John Redwood, Ree-Smog, Liam Fox etc would have just carried campaigning for Brexit, Nigel Farage had said he would not accept a Remain win. it would be "unfinnished business" as far as he was concerned.
Back in 1975 Enoch Powell said he would not accept a 'Yes' vote, instead he would carry on opposing our membership of the EEC.
The Tory party stood on a mandate of remaining in the Single Market, around 25m people voted for parties that wanted to remain in the EU or in the Single Market.
Anyway the Prime Minister & Chancellor were/are Remainers.
Originally Posted by Andrew1954:
“Remainers - imagine you're in charge. How would you handle the outcome of the referendum? Seek parliamentary approval to ignore the result? Try and persuade the electorate that the vote was too close to call and should be ignored? Set up a review to consider the options? Or some other response?”
“Remainers - imagine you're in charge. How would you handle the outcome of the referendum? Seek parliamentary approval to ignore the result? Try and persuade the electorate that the vote was too close to call and should be ignored? Set up a review to consider the options? Or some other response?”
This thread looks like a consultation process. A 'leave' sponsored consultation inviting contributions from 'remainers' to help formulate a Brexit plan, policy and process. It fits neatly with Theresa May call for unity. Those who voted to remain and were told 'you lost, get over it', and now being asked to show unity with their input into a Brexit consultation.
Mrs May's unity policy objective is achieved. Those who voted to leave decide the outcome, in this case exit from the EU. While those who voted to remain offer a process and plan to help 'leave' voters meet their demands to leave the EU.
When does this consultation process end ? And what's the consultation remit terms please ?
Originally Posted by Andrew1954:
“Remainers - imagine you're in charge. How would you handle the outcome of the referendum? Seek parliamentary approval to ignore the result? Try and persuade the electorate that the vote was too close to call and should be ignored? Set up a review to consider the options? Or some other response?”
“Remainers - imagine you're in charge. How would you handle the outcome of the referendum? Seek parliamentary approval to ignore the result? Try and persuade the electorate that the vote was too close to call and should be ignored? Set up a review to consider the options? Or some other response?”
Probably for some of them, it would be simple, make German the national language and transfer power to Berlin and go for the euro and make wearing of leather shorts a legal requirement with sausages and cabbage the national food source.
I would do nothing for as long as possible, chuck out a frase such as, Brexit means Brexit and wait for the drip drip effect of uncertainity and raising costs, to work its way through to the general plebian populus pockets, then begin negotiations, the crest of leave would be weakened and go for the softest exit possible, maybe no real exit is achieved.
While selling important infrastructure assets to Communist China, the bastions of free speech and human rights...
While selling important infrastructure assets to Communist China, the bastions of free speech and human rights...
Originally Posted by Maxatoria:
“Probably for some of them, it would be simple, make German the national language and transfer power to Berlin and go for the euro and make wearing of leather shorts a legal requirement with sausages and cabbage the national food source.”
“Probably for some of them, it would be simple, make German the national language and transfer power to Berlin and go for the euro and make wearing of leather shorts a legal requirement with sausages and cabbage the national food source.”
... and 'brexiteers' claim they are not racists creatingt stereotypical images!!
I would continue with the exit and try and sign a Norway model. That was something the outers talked about a lot prior to the vote, so I'm sure they would be happy.
Originally Posted by Dan's Dad:
“... and 'brexiteers' claim they are not racists creatingt stereotypical images!!”
“... and 'brexiteers' claim they are not racists creatingt stereotypical images!!”
I never voted so i'm neutral and allowed to wear socks and sandals shall we say
Perhaps theres a Brneutral as my vote either way wouldn't of counted and probably which ever way i would of done would of caused about 1-2 million votes the other way thanks to mr sod and his law so i'm probably better off not voting and thus i can blame everyone else
Originally Posted by Eurostar:
“The government have a duty to protect the unity of the country and to protect the economy from serious damage. I believe this supercedes the result of a non binding referendum.
Let's imagine that the cabinet took a decision to leave the EU but within a year or so it became evident that this would have a disastrous effect on the economy. They would immediately be free to reverse the decision and nobody would even scarcely bat an eyelid. If the outcome of a referendum is patently going to be damaging to a country, the government should have the right to take emergency action : perhaps delay implementing the result or holding a second referendum.”
“The government have a duty to protect the unity of the country and to protect the economy from serious damage. I believe this supercedes the result of a non binding referendum.
Let's imagine that the cabinet took a decision to leave the EU but within a year or so it became evident that this would have a disastrous effect on the economy. They would immediately be free to reverse the decision and nobody would even scarcely bat an eyelid. If the outcome of a referendum is patently going to be damaging to a country, the government should have the right to take emergency action : perhaps delay implementing the result or holding a second referendum.”
I suggest that this and your previous suggestions risk serious unrest. It rather highlights May's problem. As for the policy of "we'll have a go, but if it fails we will give up" is a recipe for failure .... but then maybe that would be your strategy. The trick then would be to engineer the failure of Brexit but to somehow avoid getting the blame.
Originally Posted by Andrew1954:
“I suggest that this and your previous suggestions risk serious unrest. It rather highlights May's problem. As for the policy of "we'll have a go, but if it fails we will give up" is a recipe for failure .... but then maybe that would be your strategy. The trick then would be to engineer the failure of Brexit but to somehow avoid getting the blame.”
“I suggest that this and your previous suggestions risk serious unrest. It rather highlights May's problem. As for the policy of "we'll have a go, but if it fails we will give up" is a recipe for failure .... but then maybe that would be your strategy. The trick then would be to engineer the failure of Brexit but to somehow avoid getting the blame.”
Step forward...Fox, Johnson & Davis to be hung out to dry or put on a pike outside parliament.
Originally Posted by i4u:
“Step forward...Fox, Johnson & Davis to be hung out to dry or put on a pike outside parliament.”
“Step forward...Fox, Johnson & Davis to be hung out to dry or put on a pike outside parliament.
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there was a time when this would have happened ..... unless of course Brexit is a success and then they will be remembered as national heroes.
I'd say that it's a complex process which is going to take a lot of time and money to sort out. That said, because it's the "will of the people", I'd set up a very high-profile department to look into it and give regular, non-soundbite reports. Meanwhile, I'd begin to address immigration (anything would do as long as it got some kind of result). Over time, the money it would cost us to exit and the potential economic impact would get big headlines. I'd also talk to the EU to have a go at reforms and talk up any that were achieved. In about 10 years, assuming I'm still in power, public opinion would have changed.
In short, look as through I'm doing everything possible to achieve an exit and mount an honest, fact-checked comms campaign which tells the truth about what it's actually going to mean for the country. Continue until the country understands that. There would be no buses involved.
In short, look as through I'm doing everything possible to achieve an exit and mount an honest, fact-checked comms campaign which tells the truth about what it's actually going to mean for the country. Continue until the country understands that. There would be no buses involved.
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