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Old 20-05-2005, 19:59
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Originally Posted by JonathanEx
I've also noted this episode is only 40 minutes long. Ok, so it's only 5 minutes shorter than normal... but, still an interesting note.

The 'gang' from last week's thread are all hoping that, as it's a two parter, there's no "Next Week" bit at the end...

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Old 20-05-2005, 20:02
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I've also noted this episode is only 40 minutes long. Ok, so it's only 5 minutes shorter than normal... but, still an interesting note.
Probaly for when they sell it to the americans. 45 min. is a bit to long and they cant really make it 1hr. 5min. long in total. The shortened length will mean that the americans will have time for plenty of ads. and still be able to show trailers for there own tv shows.
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Old 20-05-2005, 20:06
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Originally Posted by $kyhater
Probaly for when they sell it to the americans. 45 min. is a bit to long and they cant really make it 1hr. 5min. long in total. The shortened length will mean that the americans will have time for plenty of ads. and still be able to show trailers for there own tv shows.
As far as I can work out to date: the 6.30 show is 40 minutes but both BBC3 repeats are 45 minutes but the only "edit" that's been publicised is
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so it's all a bit strange one way and another - there is not supposed to be a "next week" spoiler until afrter the credits for the 6.30 show roll though
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Old 20-05-2005, 20:35
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Originally Posted by JohnFlawbod
lol, you've changed your tune Den - it was "an interesting idea" on Thursday you reckoned...but anyway, returning to "The Empty Child"...if John Barrowman's interview did indeed say
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(I didn't see it but that's what's been posted) then presumably The Doctor and Rose either interrupt or spoil his plans in some way by showing up?
I think you'll find that after the bit where I said "that's an interesting idea" there will be a "but" immediately following - it's my way of being polite.

I think Captain Jack's role will be similar to the idea of the 'rogue housemate' they throw in towards the end of shows like Big Brother.
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Old 20-05-2005, 20:42
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Originally Posted by DenWatts
I think you'll find that after the bit where I said "that's an interesting idea" there will be a "but" immediately following - it's my way of being polite.

I think Captain Jack's role will be similar to the idea of the 'rogue housemate' they throw in towards the end of shows like Big Brother.
Awww Den...you were polite for me? Shucks... Like the rogue housemate idea especially given that it's been said
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which is a classic Reality TV twist...
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Old 20-05-2005, 21:01
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Originally Posted by JohnFlawbod
Afternoon all...re: the start time of threads, given the weight of posts last week and the obvious interest, surely 24 hours of speculation isn't exactly uncalled for in the lead up to "The Empty Child" unless threads aren't allowed until after the event in which case last week's was early anyway. I'm not sure people will have trouble knowing where to post given the date and given the cleverly controlled (to date) drip-feed of info on forthcoming episodes a bit of slack is called for time wise (no pun intended) isn't it?...hey ho, just thought I'd stick me oar in...I like what you've done to the place $kyhater, plenty of space

...personally, I'm sticking with the notion that
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and all remaining episodes are written by RTD then this is where the countdown to Black Wolf and regeneration starts
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Also, the silver destruction...Van Statten did have a cyberman head in his collection presumably retrieved from the "Earthshock" crash site at some point....?
OMG, that makes me sound so unpopular

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Old 20-05-2005, 21:37
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Anyone watching HIGNFY?

Missing words round:


Host: "What, 'in league with the Doctor'?"

Paul Merton: "Is it about Ian being the new Doctor Who? It'd be brilliant for Private Eye, you could research and not get sued so much."

Ian Hislop: "FANTASTIC! "
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Old 20-05-2005, 21:42
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Originally Posted by KennyT
The 'gang' from last week's thread are all hoping that, as it's a two parter, there's no "Next Week" bit at the end...
There is. But it's after the credits...
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Old 20-05-2005, 22:45
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Knowing the eye for detail the Doctor Who team have, the Cyberman head in Dalek can't be from Earthshock as its the wrong style. It must be from one of the earlier stories where they invaded London. Or from another battle we never saw.

I never liked the Cybermen from Earthshock onwards. They looked and acted too human. Its interesting to think how the Cybermen could be updated for a new generation of Dr Who stories. I always thought the natural development of the Cybermen would have resulted in them being like the Borg in Star Trek. But the Borg have been done, so where can you take the Cybermen instead?

Also, I think its nonsense to suggest that Christopher E isn't the real Doctor. Just dramatically, it wouldn't work. I can't imagine any writer saying "Lets bring back Doctor Who after 16 years, but not actually have the Doctor in it for the first series".

How could they ask us to invest in it after that? It's bad enough that Christopher E announced he was leaving after episode one, and we've had to watch an entire series knowing he'll regenerate at the end of it. A great shame, too, because I think he's been great.

I do love the rumours, however, that the Master is somehow controlling the TARDIS. I would love them to bring him back with Eric Roberts playing the role again. That would be such a high for the series.

I just hope Sarah Jane gets a guest appearance in the next series. How cool to have Sarah and Rose teaming up to help the Doctor!
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Old 20-05-2005, 22:55
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.CJ is in for the rest of the series[/spoiler]

I couldnt bear it if Christopher Ecclestone's character turned out to be a baddy! I so hope that you are wrong.
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Old 21-05-2005, 00:14
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Originally Posted by Mulett
Knowing the eye for detail the Doctor Who team have, the Cyberman head in Dalek can't be from Earthshock as its the wrong style. It must be from one of the earlier stories where they invaded London. Or from another battle we never saw.
The cyberman head looked like the ones in the 1975 story "Revenge of the Cybermen". All subsequent appearences (Earthshock, Five Doctors, Attack of the Cybermen, Silver Nemesis) were completely different. The Cybermen in the 1968 story "The Invasion" which was set on Earth looked very similar to the one in "Dalek" but there is no ribbing on the "handles".
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Old 21-05-2005, 00:36
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Originally Posted by $kyhater
I know this is a bit early, but I think that this is going to be a quite major one. This is one which they are throwing a large budget at but doesnt have a classic enemy aka the daleks. So I think that although the plotdoesnt seem to be anything special, this episode will be. Also im new, please tell me how to request a poll.
This does look to be a major one.

But I disagree with you on one thing,..I think the plot is going to be very good.
It's a two-parter, so I hope so.

I just hope it isn't a waste of the two-part format like the last two-parter was.
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Old 21-05-2005, 00:38
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Originally Posted by cifpower
The lovely mod Beth will post in this thread. She puts the polls on. FMs cannot do it for themselves.
I think all we have to do is press the alert button in the first post after the show is finished.



Hopefully the original poster won't get banned by accident.
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Old 21-05-2005, 00:41
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Originally Posted by Black Guardian
Quite! I can understannd and appreciate the enthusiasm but the thread for the next episode seem to start earlier and earlier and people are not clear where and when to start posting.
There must be a joke about time travel in there somewhere, but I can't be arsed making it.
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Old 21-05-2005, 00:42
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There must be a joke about time travel in there somewhere, but I can't be arsed making it.
Go on..you know you want to
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Old 21-05-2005, 00:47
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Originally Posted by kw4121
hi there in responce to the thought that this is buid up to the end of dr who isnt that a bit obvious as there are only a few eps left as for the final ep and "possible rgeneration"


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now how mutch is realy i cant say but it sounds rtd like as the regeneration is very boring and new audiances might not think it cool enough ????
You know what?
That was my very first possible theory, and I posted imagining how the scene would play out in my head.

It's still only a rumour to be taken with a pinch of salt though, until something more convincing turns up.
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Old 21-05-2005, 00:54
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Originally Posted by JohnFlawbod
lol, you've changed your tune Den - it was "an interesting idea" on Thursday you reckoned...but anyway, returning to "The Empty Child"...if John Barrowman's interview did indeed say
Spoiler
(I didn't see it but that's what's been posted) then presumably The Doctor and Rose either interrupt or spoil his plans in some way by showing up?
What's Captain Jack's surname?

He's American, he might be looking for an alien artifact....

..You don't think that this could be Van Statton do you?

EDIT:...Wait a minute, wait a minute.....

Captain Jack has lost 2 years of his memory apparently.
Well in the Dalek Episode, that female assistant to him, took over as leader, and ordered to have Van Statton's memory wiped.

So how plausible could it be that Captain Jack is actually Van Statton????
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Old 21-05-2005, 01:02
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Originally Posted by Alrightmate
What's Captain Jack's surname?

He's American, he might be looking for an alien artifact....

..You don't think that this could be Van Statton do you?

EDIT:...Wait a minute, wait a minute.....

Captain Jack has lost 2 years of his memory apparently.
Well in the Dalek Episode, that female assistant to him took over, and ordered to have Van Statton's memory wiped.

So how plausible could it be that Captain Jack is actually Van Statton????
Captain Jack's surname is Harkness I think.
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Old 21-05-2005, 01:08
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Originally Posted by Black Guardian
Captain Jack's surname is Harkness I think.
Oh yes, I forgot.

Harkness as in "Darkness"

Still it's only a name. It's still possible that CJ could be VS.
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Old 21-05-2005, 01:13
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Originally Posted by Alrightmate
Oh yes, I forgot.

Harkness as in "Darkness"

Still it's only a name. It's still possible that CJ could be VS.
Or at the very least someone who works for the company.
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Old 21-05-2005, 01:14
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Originally Posted by Black Guardian
Or at the very least someone who works for the company.
Oh yes!
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Old 21-05-2005, 01:17
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Tomorrow's ep is the first to be given the "Terrifying" rating by the kids panel.
This is the scariest episode of Doctor Who yet... but it's also quite, quite brilliant.
Taken from here:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/cult/news/drwho...18/19394.shtml
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Old 21-05-2005, 01:27
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Originally Posted by Mulett
Also, I think its nonsense to suggest that Christopher E isn't the real Doctor. Just dramatically, it wouldn't work. I can't imagine any writer saying "Lets bring back Doctor Who after 16 years, but not actually have the Doctor in it for the first series".
There are many reasons why it wouldn't work but "dramatically" is not one of them. We have found out about the background to the Doctor but in terms of his personality we've learnt very little, as many have commented this series has been as much if not more about Rose than The Doctor. In actual fact, dramatically it would be a remarkable feat to produce a twist wherein the professed main character were to turn out not to be so and certainly something no other TV programme has attempted. I have no idea whether this is idle gossip, rumour or truth but one thing I do know is that dramatically it would smack the gobs of all watching if it were to happen...and for the record, as a writer, that's exactly what I would have done as I mentioned on the 14th May thread a few days ago.
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Old 21-05-2005, 01:34
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Originally Posted by Black Guardian
Or at the very least someone who works for the company.
I agree, since Geocomtec seems to be integral to the show it's entirely possible - I think it was Den that hypothesized that CJ could be from Geocomtec of the future but either way there's more than a good chance it's tied in. Also, we know from the trailer last week that there's another vehicle in the time vortex ahead of the Tardis so it's just a question of what it is, whose it is and who's inside it...well...I never said I was entirely helpful did I?
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Old 21-05-2005, 02:00
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Originally Posted by JohnFlawbod
There are many reasons why it wouldn't work but "dramatically" is not one of them. We have found out about the background to the Doctor but in terms of his personality we've learnt very little, as many have commented this series has been as much if not more about Rose than The Doctor. In actual fact, dramatically it would be a remarkable feat to produce a twist wherein the professed main character were to turn out not to be so and certainly something no other TV programme has attempted. I have no idea whether this is idle gossip, rumour or truth but one thing I do know is that dramatically it would smack the gobs of all watching if it were to happen...and for the record, as a writer, that's exactly what I would have done as I mentioned on the 14th May thread a few days ago.
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I personally would be fine with the idea. We know that Chris Eccleston is leaving anyway, so it's no big deal to me.
RTD intended that the news that Chris was leaving to be revealed after the final episode.
If the reason for this isn't for a big shock, then why else would he do this? Why wouldn't he just let Chris announce it at anytime?
They tried to cover it up, so there must be a reason for that. And Chris was apparently in on the coverup.
Because I think it's possible that RTD was planning for a big shock to the viewer's systems.

I don't understand this paranoia that other people won't accept the Doc not being who we think he is. That's just conjecture about what other people might think.

Let's say that Chris just died at the end of the last episode and regenerated into David Tennant, without RTD telling anybody, and keeping it a big secret.
You could equally argue that other people will still not accept this and be very angry anyway.

Chris will have gone, it wouldn't matter, because David Tennant is practically going to be a different character anyway. Every new actor who plays the Doc is.
So when series 2 starts, all the controversy is over, and there is a fresh start.
Like there was a fresh start in this series, yet still got lots of viewers hooked in.

It doesn't matter how you cut it. Chris Eccleston is leaving anyway. And every time a new actor takes on the role of the Doctor, they're pretty much playing a brand new character anyway.
The only thing that stays constant with the Doctor is his memory and knowledge, as a personality he's always different.
If people still don't feel steady and secure, Rose should do a pretty good job of keeping continuity.

People were angry just a the fact that Chris was leaving. Big flare up,...but it blew over in a week or two, and now we're all as happy as Larry.

You'll always upset a few people whatever you do. But if people declare that they won't watch the show again, new people will...Just like they did this time.

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