works for me Alright...and very eloquently put I might add - the only thing I'm not sure about is whether RTD would have got the go ahead to do it from the Execs but if, as we've been told, he was given carte blanche then why not? It'd be a tour de force of a twist...not convinced by The Master element though as there would need to be an explanation but then I guess whoever CE turned out to be would need explanation so who knows?

Just read the Fear Factor for "The Empty Child" and once again it's a nice piece even for someone who can't stand kids - anyone know who writes it? Or am I just missing something obvious written on the page somewhere? I have my sofa prepared...

The credits, and there's no teaser!

taken from the child review on bbc see point 41

http://www.bbc.co.uk/cult/news/drwho...18/19394.shtml

It was me.
But Den might have thought the same thing as well.

I agree. RTD is delivering the goods right now. So there's every reason to feel that he can make work whatever he wishes to do.

No, maybe not the Master, although possible (despite the denials),..but I think there's possibilities that the Doc isn't quite himself, or he is possessed by someone else,..fully or partly.

But maybe it's more likely that he has had a memory wipe, much like Van Statton has and Captain Jack(possibly).
Maybe having false memories implanted, which is an idea borrowed from several other sci-fi stories.

The idea of memory wipes has been introduced to viewers early on already, so when it happens to the Doctor, it wouldn't look like a cop out like it's just been chucked in as an easy way out, and would make some kind of sense in the reality of the whole story.

This sounds like the best episode of the series.
I'm really looking forward to this.

From what the kids are saying, even the incidental music sounds to be really good.

I expect many complaints to the BBC.
Which means a nice promotion campaign and good publicity.

And the news that there's no teaser is great news to hear.

I bet you're like me in that you don't give a shit when people say "It's made for kids", and want to tear your own hair out when people say that.

Steven Moffat is the writer.
And James Hawes directs.

By the way, for what it's worth if anyone's interested....

People were asking if there were another 4 satellites around the Earth in "The Long Game", set at positions that cover the entire Earth.

Well when I watched the episode the other day, it was clearly said that Earth had 5 moons.

Just posted that if anyone wants to use it as reference later.

Cool, I love Steve Moffat's writing, he has a great grasp of the surreal structure as well...I confess to being one of those who would always point out DW was never made by BBC Children but was always BBC Drama in the old days...I still haven't forgiven my father my turning off "The Brain of Morbius" as unsuitable viewing...he has, of course, begged several times for forgiveness but there are some things that simple blood ties cannot excuse...as for the kids, if they get scared then let the little darlings hide in their hoodies...bring on the gas masks I say!

Ihave not read it for fear of spoiling what is shaping up to be a cracking episode. Does it explain or suggest why there is no trailer at the end? Is it possible that Auntie Beeb has heard our cries from AOL and removed it for the two-parter? Does anyone know?

Cj

Oooooh, you are awful

Please use spoiler tags around this

What ablout the guy who was Kicked out at the beginning. The person that women replace?

From what I read, AM, there was a huge shock planned for the end of the series, but it wasn't what you are speculating about here.

Both CE and DT were in on the cover-up.

Original idea was to have CE do only one season all along, agreed. But the shock that was originally planned was the fact that the Doctor would be defeated at the end of this series and appear to have been killed. I quite remember RTD saying it would be a huge shock to the system, as the Doctor has never been defeated in this way before.

We were then supposed to have to wait until the announcement of the second series and the Christmas special before we heard about the David Tennant taking over the role. Of course, the press had other ideas and this didn't come to pass.

Now, we've had news that the final scenes of episode 13 have been re-shot and also the fact that DT has already filmed a few scenes, so I guess it doesn't take the proverbial rocket scientist to work out that the most likely explanation is that CE will regenerate into DT at the end of this series, and that will leave us with a cliffhanger for the Christmas special.

The regeneration scene will probably be recapped at the beginning of the Christmas episode, which is why there have been rumours about both CE and DT appearing in it.

Now I'm ok with however the drama pans out, but I can't help thinking how much better it might have been if the press hadn't gotten hold of it and RTD/CE were forced to spill the beans.

Can I ask please what is the point of people hiding their spoilers if everyone who replies is simply going to do it out in the open - thus potentially RUINING things for the rest of us???!!!

And why the hell were people talking about tonight's programme yesterday morning when there's a thread running filled with conjecture already?

We're often thinking along the same lines these days.

Looks like you're right Den. From the BBC website re the last ep of DW Confidential:

Episode 13, Finale, is retitled The Last Battle. The show relives the highs and lows of the Ninth Doctor's time with Rose, and sees Christopher Eccleston taking his final bow.

Spoiler tags are not needed for conjecture - it's not 'fact' so it's not spoiling anything. It's simply someone's opinion.

As mentioned before, if you know a fact from a future episode or plotline, then spoiler tags must be used.

And Eric Roberts would be a definite low for this series, in my humble opinion.

Sorry, but I don't agree. The poster who says they're mate has inside knowledge - whether that's a likelihood or not - had the decency to use spoiler tags when talking about CE's Doctor and the Master. Due to the "inside" connection the whole Master thing could very easily be true and is more than just conjecture.

The idea of memory wipes has indeed already been introduced to us, AM. And they were conducted by Geocomtex.

According to the write-up for the character,
Therefore, it's logical to assume that Geocomtex carried out this procedure, since they are the only ones who have been known to have carried out this procedure before. As someone has already observed, we are hurtling towards the end of the series at a rapid rate of knots, so it would be logical to assume we have a lot of the clues already.

I think this spoiler is rubbish as if you think it is true, then why does he keep saving the world?

I agree if someone has insider knowledge it must be covered up Jim.

The problem is, (and this happens so much in the soap threads) someone always knows someone who had a drink with someone who worked as an extra etc. etc. etc. and 99% of it turns out to need to be taken with a large pinch of salt.

(I'm not saying leaks don't happen - episode 13 is a point in fact.)

So how do we improve the catching of spoilers then?

If you know something, or believe you know something, it must be covered up with spoiler tags? Any other suggestions gratefully received.

I think it's only fair to use spoiler tags, as I certainly wouldn't want to spoil things for people who don't want to know.

Oh, and I agree with you Jim - this thread was started way too early, in my opinion.

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Absolutely - I'm hoping that the bloke down the pub is wrong on this one - I'm just worried that if he isn't, then a big surprise has been spoiled for me...

Maybe the surprise is in whether I'm surprised or not...

A logical solution to this is anyone responding to a spoiler has the decency to use spoiler tags covering the information they are responding to whether they themselves believe it to be true or not - otherwise there is no point in spoiler tags.

As far as the timing of this thread is concerned, this last week has been full of conjecture on "Bad Wolf" and "The Parting of the Ways" and "Boom Town" in a thread titled 14th May alot of which, it has to be said, is fans sparring our own knowledge of the old series...I return to my point that this is not a member's club it is a free forum - personally speaking, the threads against $kyhater at the front of this thread did no favours for people nipping in as they came across as exclusive and a tad petty...I would have been put off bothering posting this week as a result.

There is a "Bad Wolf" thread, a "Billy leaving" thread and indeed a "Bad Wolf" thread forum site elsewhere for conjecture if people are that worried about confusing posters - there's no point in complaining about threads going off point and then saying: but I think this is going to happen in the end....in my opinion, anyway.

Now, "The Empty Child" apparently includes no spoiler after the cliffhanger because of viewer complaints after "Aliens of London" so it sounds like a victory for viewer power to me.
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As I have to go out shortly, I have sent a request for the poll to be added.