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Results:What did you think to the show?
Very poor
14 (2.11%)
Poor
10 (1.50%)
Fair
23 (3.46%)
Good
62 (9.32%)
Very Good
156 (23.46%)
Excellent
400 (60.15%)
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Doctor Who 21st may
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Salford_Who
21-05-2005
Originally Posted by Mulett:
“A good writer ensures viewers engage and invest in a story. Why would we bother investing if it turned out we’d been watching a fraudster for 3 months?

Dramatically, it wouldn’t work because for every viewer who was shocked/excited by the twist, there would be millions more who would find it a massive turn-off. And that's the last thing Doctor Who needs after 16 years in the wilderness.

Think about Bobby Ewing coming back in the shower in Dallas. Did that work dramatically? I think not because it undermined the integrity of the entire show, leaving viewers thinking “God, how stupid”. They pulled in the viewers for his come-back episode, but it was down-hill all the way thereafter.

I’d hate to see something like that happen with Dr Who.”

Whilst I agree with you about a shock ending, if RTD started to build up the idea that the doctor wasn't who we thought he was now, then we would believe it.

If this is introduced in the last episode, as a quick fix, I agree that it would alienate many viewers.
cj592
21-05-2005
Originally Posted by xxsammiexx2003:
“looks as though its a good one. although in my oppinion they all are.”

Thats if they show it.. They may decide to cancle it due to the FA cup going into extra time

Cj
JohnFlawbod
21-05-2005
Originally Posted by Salford_Who:
“Whilst I agree with you about a shock ending, if RTD started to build up the idea that the doctor wasn't who we thought he was now, then we would believe it.

If this is introduced in the last episode, as a quick fix, I agree that it would alienate many viewers.”

Indeed...God I hate extra time...if it goes to penalties I hope they shorten they news! Of course, the programme is called "Doctor Who" the character is called "The Doctor" - only past mythology has equated the two...my mind remains open to whatever is thrown at it before I cry Foul! Ref! D'you need glasses or what? Sorry...mmm, hope the 18:30 time stays as scheduled.....
JordanDS
21-05-2005
Originally Posted by cj592:
“Thats if they show it.. They may decide to cancle it due to the FA cup going into extra time

Cj”

Panic over - Junior Mastermind has been postponed until tomorrow.
Alrightmate
21-05-2005
Originally Posted by DenWatts:
“Spoiler tags are not needed for conjecture - it's not 'fact' so it's not spoiling anything. It's simply someone's opinion.

As mentioned before, if you know a fact from a future episode or plotline, then spoiler tags must be used.

And Eric Roberts would be a definite low for this series, in my humble opinion.”

I agree with you.

I don't know why some people are complaining about spoilers.

Absolutely nothing has been "spoilt" in this thread as far as I can see.

If we put spoiler tags on theories and ideas, then the thread would be unreadable, and the page on first glance would be almost completely covered by big grey boxes.
Jenna Corinth
21-05-2005
Spoiler
John Barrowman didn't say he's an adversary to the Doctor and Rose. He said Jack starts off by trying to con them because he's lost his memory, then they become allys and a 'threesome' [sic]!
Alrightmate
21-05-2005
Originally Posted by DenWatts:
“Traditionally John, we have had problems in the past in that we were originally told to keep posts about DW to a single thread.

Posters had been told to "feck off" for starting multiple threads (I kid you not), and there were complaints of 'not another DW thread' from tv forum members, so out of regard for other members of the tv forum, we restricted ourselves to posting everything in the one thread, hence the speculation and everything else gets added into the single episode thread.

We did request a seperate sci-fi sub forum - I myself wrote a very polite request detailing everyone's points as to the advantages of this. Unfortunately, although several of us took this approach, the request has at present time been denied. We have also been told that starting extra threads would not help the case.

We have been promised that this will be looked at in the future, so at present time I'm at a bit of a loss as to how we progress this. Due to the fact that we had to be restricted to one thread, nobody really objected when people veered 'off topic' in this thread, as long as it was DW related.”

We were also told that there were not enough Doctor Who threads started to warrant a new forum.
Alrightmate
21-05-2005
Originally Posted by KennyT:
“Hmmm, I thought he was just trying to kill the Dalek, not torture it!

K”

Just trying to kill it?

Oh, well that's okay then.

Killing's cool. It would have been too terrible to even think about if he tortured it instead.

Alrightmate
21-05-2005
Originally Posted by Rmcdowell:
“Yes, I thought 'torture' was a gross exaggeration, imho.”



A gross exaggeration of somebody killing someone??

Torture as a gross exaggeration of killing??

Another person who feels that murder is much more acceptable than the terrible idea of torture.

Alrightmate
21-05-2005
Originally Posted by ChinaTea:
“So what Gwynneth actually said was: "The things you've seen... Jack Harkness... The big bad Wolf..." ”

That's nice.

I get the sarcastic rolling eyeballs because my tongue in cheekness is read as stupidity.

I'll piss off for a few days I think.
Black Guardian
21-05-2005
Originally Posted by Alrightmate:
“

A gross exaggeration of somebody killing someone??

Torture as a gross exaggeration of killing??

Another person who feels that murder is much more acceptable than the terrible idea of torture.

”

That is why we saw it from Rose's perspective that what they were doing to the Dalek was unacceptable even to the point where the Doctor was prepared to kill it, she challenged him.

*edit: please don't disappear on us AM. your contributions are valued on the forums.
Black Guardian
21-05-2005
Originally Posted by Jenna Corinth:
“
Spoiler
John Barrowman didn't say he's an adversary to the Doctor and Rose. He said Jack starts off by trying to con them because he's lost his memory, then they become allys and a 'threesome' [sic]!
”

In the interview I saw with JB I am sure he described CJ as more of an
Spoiler
adversary to the Doctor and Rose. Anyone who tries to come between them by playing one off against the other and attempting to con them wouldnt be described as a friend in my book.
SteveW2
21-05-2005
with FA Cup having Extra time and Penalties, will BBC drop Mastermind or move Dr Who and shorten National Lottery ?

See in fact they have dropepd Mastermind - now on Sunday 3.35pm
Last edited by SteveW2 : 21-05-2005 at 18:20
*Eileen*
21-05-2005
Originally Posted by SteveW2:
“with FA Cup having Extra time and Penalties, will BBC drop Mastermind or move Dr Who and shorten National Lottery ?”

Well they have just showed a trailer and said Dr Who is on at 6:30, so I don't know what they're doing in between but it seems that DW is still on as scheduled.
Alrightmate
21-05-2005
Originally Posted by Black Guardian:
“That is why we saw it from Rose's perspective that what they were doing to the Dalek was unacceptable even to the point where the Doctor was prepared to kill it, she challenged him.

*edit: please don't disappear on us AM. your contributions are valued on the forums.”

It's okay, if I'm inclined to post, I will.

I would have thought torture is bad, but killing is worse.
But the point is that they're both bad aren't they?
SteveW2
21-05-2005
you are quick Eileen, I've seen that and just edited my post !
Black Guardian
21-05-2005
Originally Posted by Alrightmate:
“It's okay, if I'm inclined to post, I will.

I would have thought torture is bad, but killing is worse.
But the point is that they're both bad aren't they?”

Quite! I couldn't agree more! Think RTD was trying to make us think about Guatemano Bay (not sure if that is how it is spelt!) and the the human right abuses that allegedly took place there.

As far as I am concerned torture and murder is unacceptable and Rose illustrated that perfectly in this episode.
thms
21-05-2005
i like this episode already..somehow it feels right
StewartF
21-05-2005
Looks good so far.
Barbara2001
21-05-2005
It's mauve and dangerous!
thms
21-05-2005
good catch
kev_6655
21-05-2005
That kid is scary.
thms
21-05-2005
it's very creepy
SteveW2
21-05-2005
bad wolf any body ?
StewartF
21-05-2005
Originally Posted by thms:
“it's very creepy”

Supposed to be one of the scariest eps of the series.

The little kid is very weird.
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