For anyone who hasn't found it, at the bottom of the disclaimer page is the following:



You need to highlight the whole disclaimer page to see it - or at least, the bottom section.

Hmm after saturdays episode doctor who confidential is listed as:

11: Unsung Heroes and Violent Death 4th June
The importance of death to Doctor Who.

Does this mean someone will die or does it refer to regeneration as in death of one life birth of next?

Has anyone actually played any of the music clips on the Revelations page?

Play the bottom one 'French Chansons' it has some hidden text behind

Sorry to quote myself

I asked the same question over on OG and someone over there has worked out the following

Doesn't work. Jamie is saved by CJ's interference in the same way Rose's dad was saved by hers.

My theory is that in Doctor Who, time is not rigid or consistent but elastic, it's contunually changing. So the Doctor bends time to allow the good things to happen instead of the bad, time then snaps back into the shape it was before and everyone is happy.

Rose, however, didn't bend time but broke it because she interfered with her own past causing the Reapers to appear. They would have eradicated all signs of the paradox and time would have streamed around it, like a river whose path has been blocked by a boulder, but Rose's dad repaired time by sacrificing himself to allow time to flow in a mostly straight line again.

Personally, I don't care about holes like these in the plots. I'm just loving the series.

But I'm happy to accept stafs' explanation. By saving her father, Rose created a future in which she would not have had to go back and save her father, thus creating a major temporal paradox. Hence the reapers, who have to tidy up the mess. However, the Doctor is frequently responsible for saving (or ending) the lives of other beings without creating a paradox, and Jamie falls into this category. Problem solved. And I'm loving it again.

Details of final episode from BBC Programme Information

This is a good explanation. There are two things I'd add.

1/ In a Jon Pertwee episode (it's a Dalek story), time travellers from a future Earth have travelled back to the present day to try and kill a government minister (or something like that), and they fail. Jo Grant asks the Doctor why they can't simply travel back to try again - and he says something like 'Oh, because of the ******* effect' (or something). He’s then quickly interrupted before he can elaborate. Basically, it was clear that you can’t keep trying to change the past. You get one shot and that’s all. Rose had two shots at it and so broke this particular rule.

2/ In this story, the Doctor makes a very important point that Rose’s dilemma would never have happened before, because of the Time Lords. The made sure things like that didn’t happen. Probably, they were the ones who enforced the ‘******* effect'. So the reason none of that has ever happened before seems to be because the Time Lords actually did perform some sort of necessary function and now they’re gone, there’s hell to pay.

Oh these threads get way too long to have kept track of whether something's been said already.
Last edited by tinka2 : 03-06-2005 at 14:35

Yeah thats been said already lol

Blinovitch Limitation Effect - one of the Laws of Time that the Timelords upheld. The Doctor broke one by letting Rose go back to the same point twice - but then he was trying to impress her.

More can be found here:
http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~abr/drwh...40/node14.html

Right - Wanted to mention this days ago but everyone was happy that Jamie wasn't dead long enough to matter, and that was why the reapers didn't appear - My thoughts are different.



Oopps - decided to stick in spoiler tags just in case....

Yes but until the mods relent and give us the much needed sci fi forum we really have no option other than to keep everything in one thread - it wouldn't be fair on the non-DW fan forum members.

Does anyone know what this means or at least what it might mean?

That's the one!

Well it's been a while now since we last petitioned for a sci-fi forum - maybe someone else (or several someone elses?) could request one too?

You just need to hit the 'contact us' button near the bottom right of the page.

Just requested at least a separate sub forum. I'm sure people get put off posting here because they think they'll have to wade through 50 odd pages. Not sure it'll do any good but perhaps in time for next series!

I love this forum, but agree that towards the end of the week the thread is so long its almost impossible to catch up, so posts are either duplicated, you miss a point someone has made.

A good case in point is the sexuality discussion in this particular thread. With a sci-fi forum, this could have beeen a seperate thread,and wouldnt have annoyed people who wanted to bring up other points, and would have been ideal for those of us who wanted an in depth discussion on it.

I think this is undoubtably the best forum site I have ever come across, and love the debates held on its pages, not just the Dr Who (though these are a wee bit special).

I agree that people are certainlt put off posting due to the lenghth of the thread. If you dont view almost every few hours, there are so many new posts it takes forever to catch up.

i have asked for a sci-fi forum or anything which they can give for dr who lovers.

for anyone who hasn't read the daily record today there is a pic of anndroid with rose on the futuristic weakest link!. On page 3.
The caption reads the following:
Forget the Daleks, Dr Who and his sidekicks are about to face their toughest adversary yet-a robotic Ann Robinson.
The time travellers come face to face with Anndroid when Rose is forced is forced to take part in a futuristic version of the weakest link.
blah blah blah
But in the future, the stakes are a lot higher- with losers disintegrated by a laser that shoots out of Anndroids mouth.
heh pics look good!.

although the robot ann could do with a makeover

ROBOTOX


C

http://www.badwolf.org.uk/disclaimer.html

must have changed - no reference to Rose

just ...

If you highlight the section below where it says:

"The Bad Wolf is not real. The Bad Wolf is not real. The Bad Wolf is not real."

then you will see it.