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Old 02-06-2005, 17:24
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Also we don't have to accept the reasons, thats not what i meant, but go by the reasons she gave..ie maybe thats the actual reason why she voted for Mary. No one has to accept it of course.
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Old 02-06-2005, 17:32
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Originally Posted by NathalieR
Whats wrong with the reason she gave though? Why pick up on her reasons and not on others reasoning for nominations, like Roberto who too didnt appear to nominate his biggest enemies?
I am asking about Makosi's reasons simply because they are now the only ones that matter.
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Old 02-06-2005, 18:53
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Originally Posted by lulu g
Why do you think she chose Mary and Craig? I am in no doubt that she chose Mary because she knows Mary is one person that she won't be able to dominate. I'm not sure why she chose Craig, though.
There are a couple of reasons Makosi could have for making the choices she did

1) BB told her she had to select 2 HMs for eviction.

She didn't know whether BB would announce that she had chosen the evictees.

Had the other HMs been told that Makosi had made the choice, they were the two for whom she could give a 'good' reason for her decision.

Mary because she has constantly talked of leaving, and Craig who had been upset saying he was finding it difficult to cope.

2) As has been seen in past BBs, evicted HMs can have a completely different perception of their fellow HMs to that of the viewers.

Makosi may have 'perceived' that Mary has no obvious allies in the house, and Craig has very few, (hence the hesitation and the 'joined at the hip' comment when she remembered Vanessa). This combination would ensure her the least 'fallout' from the remaining HMs.

If she had chosen say, Max & Anthony, and the other HMs were informed or had found out, she knew that Anthony/Max, Roberto, Sam, Saskia and possibly Science would have given her a hard time and nominated her.

I realise that she only had a few minutes to work this out, but she had probably calculated all the permutations when thinking about her nominations. She said as much when giving her original nominations, choosing the HMs she thought would have the least votes, in order that she would have the most.

All things considered Mary & Craig were the best choices Makosi could have made.

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Old 02-06-2005, 19:28
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Personally, I think that she voted for Mary for 2 reasons...

Firstly, as Lulu G posted in this thread, she voted Mary as she would not be able to control, influence or dominate her as she seems to have done with a lot of the other housemates, for Makosi being a control freak (That is self admitted and not only in my opinion) not to have control of the situation or the people around her isn't acceptable.

Secondly, I think it was because Mary had told her to her face that she thought she was two faced for her actions with Roberto. Makosi did not like that one bit and I think she nominated her in part because of that.

As for Craig, I am really not sure... We did not get to hear the reason that she was going to give, however, I have a feeling that it may have been due, in part at least, to the bitchfest that herself and Kemal had the other night, Craig was mentioned several times in that...

Also, I think that Craig might have been one of her "two" which she mentioned in the Diary Room, but she was quite elusive about those two people so I can't be certain.
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Old 02-06-2005, 19:57
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Makosi has just said on Diary Room Uncut the two people that she wanted to nominate were Maxwell and Craig. So Craig was indeed one of her "Two..."

She said the reason she didn't vote for them was she thought that a lot of people would have voted for them and she did not want them to be immune from eviction... In fact she said that she would kill herself if she thought that she had saved Maxwell from eviction...

So this leaves the question as to why she chose Mary over Maxwell for the public eviction ? She had the chance to put up the two people that she originally wanted to vote for, so why didn't she ?
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Old 03-06-2005, 08:12
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Originally Posted by lulu g
I am asking about Makosi's reasons simply because they are now the only ones that matter.
Fair enough, but my understanding from watching her give her reasons were because Mary had called her two faced and she didnt get time to really explain Craig, as it was a live show. I don't think she likes him though, just as he doesn' t like her, hence why he nominated her too.

Bearing in mind she had seconds to nominate i don't see whats wrong with the above reasons, they seem valid enough to me.
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Old 03-06-2005, 08:14
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Originally Posted by CreativEssence
Makosi has just said on Diary Room Uncut the two people that she wanted to nominate were Maxwell and Craig. So Craig was indeed one of her "Two..."

She said the reason she didn't vote for them was she thought that a lot of people would have voted for them and she did not want them to be immune from eviction... In fact she said that she would kill herself if she thought that she had saved Maxwell from eviction...

So this leaves the question as to why she chose Mary over Maxwell for the public eviction ? She had the chance to put up the two people that she originally wanted to vote for, so why didn't she ?
I think she secrectly actually quite likes Maxwell. Plus Mary keeps saying she wants to leave, and called Makosi two faced so since her original nominations she obviusly swayed towards Mary.
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Old 03-06-2005, 08:15
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I think deep down Makosi thought that Mary would be well liked and be safe.
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Old 03-06-2005, 08:19
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Originally Posted by lulu g
Why do you think she chose Mary and Craig? I am in no doubt that she chose Mary because she knows Mary is one person that she won't be able to dominate. I'm not sure why she chose Craig, though.
I reckon she nominated Craig cos she really really wants Mary gone, on the basis that she nominated who she really dislikes up against aomeone she thinks is going to be really popular or quiet or any reason that means the public will vote out Mary rather than A N Other HM that Makosi chose, Makosi has had phenomenal power this time round and according to the way the forum is going she undoubtedly knows this and being a total and utter contemptable b***h (that so many are thinking she is) and has the skills to work all that out in the time she was given to come up with her eviction pick.

She wants Mary out and has done her utmost to give the public no option but to vote her out. Well that is what she thinks and that is something too many round here are giving her credit for.
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Old 03-06-2005, 08:23
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She’s dared to confront Makosi and has seen through her for being as two faced as she is so Mary had to be one of her nominations. Seems like she misjudged her decision to confide in her creature Kemal and I think this will prove to be her biggest mistake over time. She either gets rid of the ones who really see her for what she is or involves them in her lie. Quite a powerful thing to have a secret and choose to confide it only in one other person. We can only hope that Kemal breaks free and chooses to tell some others leading to a Nick/Craig BB1 style confrontation.

Makosi is proving to be even more hideous than Adelle was and I can’t see how she will not always be up for nomination. The evictee’s interview tonight promises to offer some priceless entertainment when whoever it is is shown that it was Makosi and Makosi alone that is responsible for them being out of the running for bagging £100k.
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Old 03-06-2005, 08:27
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I dont think she is that cunning to vote Craig and Mary hoping that it will be Mary gone. She had seconds to think so i really doubt it. If you wanted to make sure Mary was gone, you would probably vote her along with Anthony or something, thinking maybe he would get the girl's votes. Why would she think Craig would be safe? And i dont think she hates Mary that much to orchestrate her departure like that..as her sister said on BBLB last night she probably picked those two as as last minute spur of the moment thing, seeing as she couldnt really sit down and think it all through.
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Old 03-06-2005, 08:47
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I think Makosi definitely mis-judged Mary. She confided in her, trusted her, and thought she could use her for her own advantage, then when Mary started voicing her opinions more, and showed that she's very vindictive and not at all shy, i think Makosi panicked, she realised that Mary could tell people exactly the things that Makosi has been saying to her, and really put her place in the house in jeopardy.

Craig likewise, She told Craig a lot of things too, then found out he was two faced and could easily tell everyone else what she said too.

She got 2 of the biggest bitches in the house, the only ones worse for this are Makosi herself and Kemal, but she really likes him. So even though one of the 2 will be staying in the house, they might feel that having been voted in the first week, maybe they should stop bitching so much, and be less argumentative, etc, therefore giving less of a chance that they will take Makosi on about her lies and bitching.
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Old 03-06-2005, 09:38
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I was a fan of hers, but now she disgusts me ever since she had her first major bitching session with Kemal, saying how much more intelligent and better they are than everyone else ... even Big Brother. All that punking talk. Her ego knows no bounds.

I think she is feeling emotionally drained right now, but will be messing with people's heads again.

I hope she proves me wrong because I really did like her initially.
Notice this footage was never shown to the channel4 edited viewers audience. I wonder why?
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Old 03-06-2005, 13:08
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When BB gave her the wicked task I thought that they had lost their marbles. Assuming that I have understood it correctly, it was such a transparent and easily subverted attempt to create an annoying housemate that I never thought she would go for it the way she did. And on top of everything she was pleased at how spectacularly she had pulled it off...! I mean... duh.

I don't know why it never occurred to her to take her chances with the nominations/eviction and play it straight, or, better still, confess to the others and be a hero. Obviously she didn't remember Becki at all.

At the end of the day ( ) she has to spend almost 10(?) weeks living in a house with people who will probably still have at least a residual dislike for her for the way she acted in the first week. And with the rules reverting to normal so that the person they hate most will likely get the boot! Did she think they would all get a mindwipe after the first eviction or what? "Oh, Makosi is still here but suddenly I don't mind her after all, I will never nominate her again". IIRC many a nomination has been based on the principle "same reason as last week" or "I've nominated him/her before"

I suppose it's good television that housemates are now confused about who is popular and who is not but from what I have seen of the show Makosi being 'evil' was not particularly good value for money. I think Big Brother was lucky in landing a stooge who was not particularly good at working out long term consequences.

but perhaps I have misunderstood the rules of that task...
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Old 03-06-2005, 13:15
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It would have been interesting to see how the other housemates would have reacted to the secret task..to be honest i doubt many of them would have rejected it and told the others. Makosi has gone into the house because she wants to go far no doubt so if you have a chance to escape nomination then she is going to go for it. Personally i think she should have made out she was really homesick for the first week and beg them to vote for her but then in the 2nd week appear to have "adapted"!
Either way i dont blame her for the route she chose because no one really knows what they would do in that situation, all she knew was she needed the votes.
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Old 03-06-2005, 13:36
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I dont understand why people think she should feel guilty. Thats what Big Brother is all about, living with these people and contributing to kicking them out so you get the money. I would prefer to see someone do that with a smile than with the faux guilt we usually see. "Oh i hate doing this" please.

And as for comforting Craig, i found it hilarious. She sat there watching as he went "Nobody thanks me. Nobody notices me". I would have died laughing at that point.
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Old 03-06-2005, 13:36
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Originally Posted by NathalieR
It would have been interesting to see how the other housemates would have reacted to the secret task..to be honest i doubt many of them would have rejected it and told the others. Makosi has gone into the house because she wants to go far no doubt so if you have a chance to escape nomination then she is going to go for it.
Yeah but at the same time people (including her) are always implying she is super-smart. She had 2 options

1. Gamble on being as unlikeable and hated as much as possible just enough so that she would get the most nominations for one week only

OR

2. Play the game like everybody else. It may have made no difference at all, after all two other people got immunity and they didn't have to think up weak-ass schemes to make themselves disliked. I can imagine that she rubs people up the wrong way without even trying (whatever she says)

She has made the game 1,000 times harder for herself. And then there is the problem she will have with appearing two-faced to the public which makes it more likely that when she is nominated, she will go.
Personally i think she should have made out she was really homesick for the first week and beg them to vote for her but then in the 2nd week appear to have "adapted"!
I think that would have been an excellent strategy
Either way i dont blame her for the route she chose because no one really knows what they would do in that situation, all she knew was she needed the votes.
Honest to God, my immediate reaction to hearing the task was to think,"Who would be dumb enough to gamble on those odds? BB production team -- bunch of spoons!"
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Old 03-06-2005, 13:42
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I really don't like Makosi, the fake crying, the constant turning around of the conversation to herself, I can't relate to her in any way shape or form. The Cherry Tango thing just proves what a selfish person she is. She wasn't intelligent enough to even understand her mission initially, so it is offensive for her to continuously call herself intelligent (in fact ALL the contestents seem deluded about how brainy/ fit they are). All she needed to do for the misson is to create a massive barney the night before evctions, then she could have confessed the reason why afterwards. Obviously it would have been the smart move to keep her mouth shut about her putting Craig and Mary up for eviction, Kamal cannot be trusted to keep his trap shut in my opinion.
I can't deny she's good-looking (lovely lips and body!) but she's a personality-free zone.
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Old 03-06-2005, 13:48
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Originally Posted by louison
I dont understand why people think she should feel guilty. Thats what Big Brother is all about, living with these people and contributing to kicking them out so you get the money. I would prefer to see someone do that with a smile than with the faux guilt we usually see. "Oh i hate doing this" please.
Well my angle was more one of her own self-preservation. I have to admit that my heart was breaking when I saw Craig but I haven't watched as much BB as some. Apparently he can come across quite the t*sser.

I hear what you are saying about annoying weaselly nominations (I especially hate it when they say,"I am nominating so-and-so cos they would rather not be here"... whatever ) but going on the past BB's you won't get anywhere by being too upfront to the public about your strategies. Unfortunately, the hand wringing seems to be expected. At least they didn't come out of the room going,"That was the worst day of my life! I feel so dirty! yadda yadda!". At least I hope they don't do that anymore
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Old 03-06-2005, 13:49
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Originally Posted by kwentsiwa
Yeah but at the same time people (including her) are always implying she is super-smart. She had 2 options

1. Gamble on being as unlikeable and hated as much as possible just enough so that she would get the most nominations for one week only

OR

2. Play the game like everybody else. It may have made no difference at all, after all two other people got immunity and they didn't have to think up weak-ass schemes to make themselves disliked. I can imagine that she rubs people up the wrong way without even trying (whatever she says)

She has made the game 1,000 times harder for herself. And then there is the problem she will have with appearing two-faced to the public which makes it more likely that when she is nominated, she will go. I think that would have been an excellent strategyHonest to God, my immediate reaction to hearing the task was to think,"Who would be dumb enough to gamble on those odds? BB production team -- bunch of spoons!"
Yeah maybe she should have played it one of the aobve ways but hingsight is a wonderful thing. She played it the way she probably only knew she could, and so far i don't think it has backfired on her because she seems to be intergrating herself in the group again now and chilling out.
I don't think she has appeared two-faced..she had to nominate two people live on like a few seconds and its not like she nominated her friends. No one in the history of BB (or maybe once or twice) has ever told the person they nominated that they nominated them so why should she have?
I do get what you're saying, she could have played it better maybe, but its hard to blame her for not playing it as well as she should have because it was a fairly unique situation and, after all, she was the "unlucky housemate".
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