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Old 02-06-2005, 15:30
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What's the point, when it doesn't actually work properly anyway? I just got myself a copy of Push The Button by The Chemical Brothers, and noticed the copy protection notice on the spine. Bunged it in my PC, cancelled the request to "update some files on my PC" to enable it to be played, opened musicmatch jukebox and it played fine. Went to rip it to MP3 for use on the PC and my iRiver, and it did it just fine albeit a lot slower than usual.

They don't even play at all on older CD players. All it does is inconvenience people who are simply trying to use a legitimately purchased "CD". Why?
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Old 02-06-2005, 15:41
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They don't play in my portable cd player properly, it's a big pain in the neck, keeps pausing and making a horrible sound that gives me a shock!
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Old 02-06-2005, 16:35
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It's stupid. People just find ways around it, anyway.
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Old 02-06-2005, 17:07
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It is very stupid! they always upload fine with itunes aswell.
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Old 02-06-2005, 17:39
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Are these the ones that dont actually have the "compact disc digital audio" logo on them, so in theory they are not an actual CD?
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Old 02-06-2005, 17:57
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Yes, hence why I referred to them as "CDs" in the first post
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Old 02-06-2005, 18:02
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I know... I have the same problem with several of my CDs.

And they wonder why so many people are downloading illegally.
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Old 02-06-2005, 18:04
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Just wondered as I have a few of these myself and as a previous post said, iTunes hasn't had a problem with them.

I do believe it is wrong though if, like you said some CD players won't actually play them in the first place.
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Old 03-06-2005, 00:38
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Originally Posted by thetrebmeister
Are these the ones that dont actually have the "compact disc digital audio" logo on them, so in theory they are not an actual CD?
Phillips banned the labels from printing the CD Digital Audio logo on them as they do not adhere to Red Book manufacturing standards.
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Old 03-06-2005, 09:46
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Originally Posted by andygrif
Phillips banned the labels from printing the CD Digital Audio logo on them as they do not adhere to Red Book manufacturing standards.
They shouldn't really be in the same racks in the shops as proper CDs, they should have a separate section for "disks with music on that might not work in your player".
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Old 03-06-2005, 14:06
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Some of my 'enhanced' cds don't work on my players and certainly don't work through my DVD/VCD/SVCD player, yet all is fine on the PC.
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Old 03-06-2005, 15:20
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You can easily get mp3s for all albums on P2P networks, whether they are copy protected or not. All copy protection mechanisms achieve is to inconvenience the ordinary legal user who actually buys the CD.
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Old 03-06-2005, 21:02
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it's a whole new world of stupid.
worse still, it will continue.
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Old 03-06-2005, 22:05
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If the price was right in the first place there would not be a problem with people down-loading them
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Old 04-06-2005, 01:56
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As long as you don't have autorun enabled, you're fine. I never liked the idea of letting programs I know nothing about running on my PC without my say-so.

If you can hear it, you can copy it.
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Old 04-06-2005, 02:01
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True,I remember "Permission to land" by The Darkness came plastered with copy protection slogans..still on the net before you can blink.
DVD's too.when I was working in PC's,people would always say.."I tried copying it,but it would not work"
I say..try harder..Google is your friend
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Old 04-06-2005, 19:01
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People listen to music more and more on PCs or on portable music players (as MP3s or similar file formats). If CDs that people have bought won't convert to MP3 then people are likely to go in search of downloading the MP3s of the album (even if they own a CD of it). Then they are likely to be tempted to download other songs (illegally) that they wouldn't have otherwise have downloaded. It completely defeats the object of it.

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Old 05-06-2005, 04:29
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If I ever accidentally buy one of these non-CDs (or more likely I get one as a present), it will go straight back to the shop for a full refund - even though i can easily copy them on my PC. They are non-CDs masquerading as CDs (because they *look like* CDs) and the record companies producing them deserve to go bankrupt.

God help any record shop that tries to not give me the refund...
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Old 05-06-2005, 10:39
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(because they *look like* CDs)
DVDs *look like* CDs. Would I get a refund if I went into a shop and said that it wouldn't play on my CD player? Nope...

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Old 05-06-2005, 11:44
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Originally Posted by Lord Digby
If the price was right in the first place there would not be a problem with people down-loading them
Oh that old chestnut...sorry but this bile simply doesn't wash anymore. I bought three new release albums in Sainsbury's yesterday for £8.33 each. You can buy online for 8.99 including postage.

Oh and of course you can download music for under a quid per track, quite legally, just how little are you prepared to pay?

The 'if CDs were reasonably priced in the first place' line is old, out of date and generally spouted out by people trying to justify their illegal downloading of music.
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Old 05-06-2005, 12:29
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Originally Posted by Sven945
DVDs *look like* CDs. Would I get a refund if I went into a shop and said that it wouldn't play on my CD player? Nope...

jack
They don't sell DVDs as if they were CDs though. They don't put them in the same racks in the shops, or sell them at the same price, or put them in the same jewel cases as CDs. The disks with copy protection on are passing off as CDs: they are claiming to be something they aren't. So you are entitled to a refund if you buy a copy-protected disk in the belief that you're buying a genuine CD.
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Old 05-06-2005, 22:38
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I agree. First thing I do if I buy a copy-protected CD is copy it so it'll play in all my players! Never had to do that before, so if anything, it's encouraging copying! Well, with me anyway.

And before anybody has a pop - I actually buy my CDs - I just don't like being told what I can and can't play them with. Not right I tells ya!
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Old 05-06-2005, 23:00
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Yoonix, I am the first person in line to defend you. I agree you should be able to make as many copies as you like for your own use.

Just in case anyone else has trouble understanding 'own use' that does not include making copies for friends/relatives/blokes at car boot sales.

It also does not include uploading/sharing your enire ripped collection on newsgroups/file sharing/email.

It also does not include buting the CD, ripping it then selling the CD whilst maintaining your digital copy.

So I do agree with you Yoonix, you bought it, you should have the right to play it. Similarly I support the right of the record company to protect their IP, but they did make a royal mess of the whole copy protection software...but you'll get a nasty shock when you buy most new drives or computers now and they won't read/rip CP'd CD's.
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Old 06-06-2005, 00:51
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What? And it'll be firmware protected?

If that happens, suppose you could always plug the CD player into your audio-in sockets and rip. Good as new!

Thing is, they'll never be able to protect the contents of a CD. Their efforts will just put punters off buying the product in the first place.
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Old 06-06-2005, 01:19
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I cant hear the difference from say 128kb mp3 tune and a 192 kbs i think the CD quality is. They all sound the same to me unless its like 60kbs compared to 128kbs. Anyways if you got a sound recorder programme on your PC just play your CD and press record and it will record all the sound coming into your PC in the same quality. Great stuff
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