Just felt I had to say it, innit, pie 'n' mash 'n' liquor, Bow Bells.
Oh, duuh, sorry, that's EAST London, not north.
Oh, duuh, sorry, that's EAST London, not north.
Maxwell is NOT off the hook
Can't remember now, but didn't Maxwell say he was from Islington, sorry, "Iz-lin-'un"? Or perhaps I'm getting mixed up. I dunno!
Oh goody...seems Maxwell is promoting pluralism, multiculturalism and locational-diversity all wrapped up in one wee person...
isn't that so positive...maybe now i can really break out and say a few things them foreigners from Perth say...i haven't felt empowered enough to adopt their dialect before now...afterall, jings (oops a bit of Dundee slipped in there
) they live 17miles away...
isn't that so positive...maybe now i can really break out and say a few things them foreigners from Perth say...i haven't felt empowered enough to adopt their dialect before now...afterall, jings (oops a bit of Dundee slipped in there
) they live 17miles away...
he is probably lying just to appear slightly interesting. maybe the constant shouting over other people is not getting him enough attention.
i wish one of those hooks they used to have at the theatre would come onto the house and drag him off!
Originally Posted by mitacond:
“Maxwell said yesterday that hismother was from USA, and that he also had and American passport!!!
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“Maxwell said yesterday that hismother was from USA, and that he also had and American passport!!!
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People of his class (and I don't mean that snobbily either) tend to think America as the great big paradise, and having a passport there just means that he thinks he's fantastic - which he's not, of course.
Originally Posted by stenoboy:
“People of his class (and I don't mean that snobbily either) tend to think America as the great big paradise, and having a passport there just means that he thinks he's fantastic - which he's not, of course.”
“People of his class (and I don't mean that snobbily either) tend to think America as the great big paradise, and having a passport there just means that he thinks he's fantastic - which he's not, of course.”
Define "class"...are you going with Marx or Weber or basing your 'non-snobbish' opinion on some other model of social analysis?
Originally Posted by stenoboy:
“People of his class (and I don't mean that snobbily either) tend to think America as the great big paradise, and having a passport there just means that he thinks he's fantastic - which he's not, of course.”
“People of his class (and I don't mean that snobbily either) tend to think America as the great big paradise, and having a passport there just means that he thinks he's fantastic - which he's not, of course.”
Or of course it could be something quite simple like his mother IS American as he said which would entitle him to an American passport. Personally I've no idea which is true but as he went on to talk of relatives over there he wanted to visit I think it probably is.
Neither Marx nor Weber, but rather the social group to which Max would belong - probably upper working class, for want of a better description. Anecdotally speaking, people from that group, in my experience, tend to look on America as the promised land.
Perhaps I expressed myself inelegantly, but this was NOT a snobbish opinion of his class, being from that same social group myself and hence my anecdotal knowledge of it.
Perhaps I expressed myself inelegantly, but this was NOT a snobbish opinion of his class, being from that same social group myself and hence my anecdotal knowledge of it.
Originally Posted by stenoboy:
“Neither Marx nor Weber, but rather the social group to which Max would belong - probably upper working class, for want of a better description. Anecdotally speaking, people from that group, in my experience, tend to look on America as the promised land.
Perhaps I expressed myself inelegantly, but this was NOT a snobbish opinion of his class, being from that same social group myself and hence my anecdotal knowledge of it.”
“Neither Marx nor Weber, but rather the social group to which Max would belong - probably upper working class, for want of a better description. Anecdotally speaking, people from that group, in my experience, tend to look on America as the promised land.
Perhaps I expressed myself inelegantly, but this was NOT a snobbish opinion of his class, being from that same social group myself and hence my anecdotal knowledge of it.”
Now i can respect a little more the judgements you appear to be making and the reasons why. Nonetheless, I disagree with your assessment and think that, in general, notions, ideas, identification, self-identification, etc of class is far more complex and increasingly more fluid. Elderflower's simple conclusion makes far more sense within the context and circumstance.
You have, to a degree, some validity on the socio-political-idealogical aspirational views of certain classificational groupings...your anecdotal could prove 'typical' for many within the grouping you cite, the evidence does exist...however, i doubt it applies (exclusively) on this occassion.
I do know someone who actually went to secondary school with Maxwell and does (or did) see him out socially on a night out but they were never really friends particularly.
Apparently he's a posh bloke who tries to talk cockney and act all ladish. I guess this is an approach that a lot of blokes take to fit in with a group of mates and not feel like a social outcast.
Amazing that someone would change their whole persona to fit in, that now it has become a part of them that they no longer act it as they actually believe they are a cockney geezer.
Apparently he's a posh bloke who tries to talk cockney and act all ladish. I guess this is an approach that a lot of blokes take to fit in with a group of mates and not feel like a social outcast.
Amazing that someone would change their whole persona to fit in, that now it has become a part of them that they no longer act it as they actually believe they are a cockney geezer.
