Just saw that BB Diary Room Uncut.

At the end, it showed the scene where Mary was commenting to Makosi and Kemal about the whole chaotic situation last night with everyone arguing with each other.

She said everyone was feeding off each other and arguing with each other for the sake of it to strut like peacocks.

Makosi appeared to be not liking what Mary said, and implied that she was biting her lip because she didn't like what Mary suggested.

Then Makosi denied that she herself has done that.
Mary said to Makosi that she can't deny that Makosi had been looking for needless arguments with people for the last week.

Makosi denied that she had done so.
But Makosi knows full well that was exactly what she had been doing for the last week.

Mary was correct, but Makosi was just simply lying to her.

But of course Kemal who was also present was the only one in on the secret. I don't know if Makosi forgot this at the time.

Kemal appeared to not be comfortable with Makosi lying to Mary about something he knew that Makosi was deliberately lying about.
He went to the Diary Room to try and confirm from BB about whether Makosi being the housemate who needed to get the most nominations to procure her own safety and having the benefit of being able to nominate two housemates of her choice was true or not.

I didn't have much of an opinion on Kemal for the last few days, although he seemed okay in many ways.
But after tonight I do tend to like him a bit more now. I credit him more than I did before.

I do think he was genuinely uncomfortable with Makosi's deceptiveness toward Mary.
Makosi knew full well that it was due to herself that Mary and Craig are up for eviction.
I think that Kemal had genuine sympathy for Mary there, and found it cruel that Makosi blatantly lied to Mary in a manner that was done to make Mary feel as though she'd said something wrong.
It was unecessary for Makosi to say anything at all, but she chose to open her mouth and blatantly lie by denying she was one of the guilty ones. If she wanted her secret to be kept secret, all she had to do was not say anything at all.

I think that Kemal may be a person with a big heart, and had the emotional intelligence to know that Mary (and Craig) would be feeling some pain at that time, and that it was pretty ruthless for Makosi to make out to Mary in a dismissive manner that she had not been deliberately creating arguments to save her own skin.

It looked to me that Kemal felt genuinely uncomfortable about Makosi there, and maybe felt some guilt about being party to Makosi's deceptiveness and felt a bit sorry for Mary there knowing that Mary was right about Makosi.
Mary and Craig are there thinking everone hates them in the house. I know that Mary only got one nomination, yet Mary doesn't know it was only Makosi who nommed her, nobody else.

It was only a very subtle moment, but I do think that his visit to the diary room was because he felt bad about what he had witnessed with Makosi talking to Mary. I kind of think that Kemal is a fair person and genuinely felt uncomfortable about what he just witnessed, and felt a bit for Mary being in the dark about the truth about Makosi's lie.

So Kemal is one of the housemates I quite like right now.

I don't know why. He knows the truth and he's let both Mary and Craig feel like they've been rejected by the whole group. Maybe he does feel guilty about this, but there's a very easy way out. Craig in particular has taken the rejection very hard, and I find the way Makosi can just watch that quite vile.

As for Mary, I really couldn't care less. She's a Gothic mix of Jade and Elizabeth. Prententious, deluded, patronising, bitchy, and so far up her own ass, it's no wonder she talks so much shit.

This was also the woman who after saying Saskia was fake, said that Makosi was one of the more genuine people. I find it hilarious.

I know Juicy Bug, but it was just during that incident that he did seem to suddenly become very uncomfortable about the secret. As though he suddenly had a crisis of conscience.

Maybe due to what happened, and the way the conversation went, he suddenly had his consicience pricked, and wondered why he should be loyal to Makosi after Makosi's performance. Maybe he questioned why he should even trust Makosi.


I disagree with the strength of your feelings about Mary, but I agree more with your thoughts about Makosi.

But not, it seems, with the way she deceived everyone else.

He doesn't seem to mind being the only one with the unfair advantage of being in on the secret either. (Knowing which HMs had really received the most nominations can help him with his future nomination choices.)

So my already low opinion of him has dropped further.

I'm talking about a specific event.
It's unlikely that he would be as troubled about the deception of people who aren't even up for eviction.
Why would he? They won't be feeling the same as Mary who was involved in the talk with Makosi.

And the event indicated that he appeared very much to be troubled by his secret knowlege.

The discussion between Makosi and Mary is what appeared to make him want to suddenly talk about Makosi's "unluckiness" in the Diary Room.

Makosi has one more chance to save herself - she could tell Craig and Mary what she did before the eviction; she just migt get away with it.
If not she'll be an easy victim as soon as it all comes out, either by chance, by Kemal leaking, or by BB showing videos on the plasma screen.

I knew you were talking about a specific event -- and you said he suddenly became very unconfortable.

But he should already have been uncomfortable, because he knew Makosi had been tricking the HMs and had not told them the truths she'd revealed to him.

But no. Instead, he liked her deceptions and felt very pleased with himself that he'd nearly figured it out while the HMs he and Makosi seem to regard as stupid didn't.

Would he have had a similar crisis of conscience if Makosi had told a similar lie to, say, Max rather than to another member of the "we're smart and they're stupid" faction.

Somehow I don't think so.

Why hasn't the public already turned against her?

Her only excuse is that BB told her to do it. That didn't work for Becki.

It's double standards and hypocrisy all around.

I don't know what he "should" have done before, that's his decision.

All I know is that he was present, he listened to both Makosi and Mary,..he reacted to what he observed, and went to BB to verify the Makosi creating arguments deliberately and who she nominated.

I can't say what he "should" or shouldn't have done before, the fact is that he didn't.
He reacted to a specific incident.

So I think it's entirely possible that his observations during that conversation between Makosi and Mary made him suddenly aware of the consequences of his shared secret once he had seen both Mary and Craig having some pain, and yet seeing Makosi's apparent lack of empathy, and uncaring, ruthless attitude.

He watched and listened to Makosi and Mary...there was an immediate reaction from him to that conversation.

I don't think it's too outrageous to think that some people can possess an emotional intelligence and while reading a situation, can feel for other people.

But that's what moral judgments are about: whether someone did what they should have done or not. Kemal didn't. He failed the test. He went along with the dishonesty. Indeed, he relished it.

An attitude he shared when he thought the victims would be only the "stupid" HMs he despised.

What he felt before, once he'd worked out pretty much what Makosi was doing, was contempt for the "stupid" HMs who didn't get it.

I'll add some astro info to Kemal here.He is the scorpio in the house and scorpios will delve and delve until they know the truth cutting through the irrelevant until they get to the heart of the matter.They're never at rest.
Detective Inspector Kemal is one to watch.
Jason was also scorpio ox like Kemal.There's 144 different sign combos so when two people match up signs like this,expect a few similarities.

Body language I think. Makosi carries herself like someone who should be respected, while Becki sort of "shrivelled" in the way she moved around and her facial expressions.

I think people's movements, tone of voice, and subliminal smell (obviously we can't use smell on a TV program), affect our judgement of them more than we realise most of the time.

I think that Kemal, because the public are watching, has decided not to side with Makosi. He knows that BP don't like this sort of thing.

Or is it panic mode ?

He was backing her 100% , whilst he thought she was truly nasty and selfish.

Now it seems she has a "get out clause" of it being a task from BB where she had to make herself unpopular.
So may have the eventual sympathy of the HM/voters.

Leaving him to look like the only nasty/selfish one.
He may see this as a kind of betrayal?
Makosi seems to be trying to build bridges(albeit slowly , so not arouse suspicion).
So is Kemal doing a public damage limitation exercise of his own?

They defnitely dont seem as close as they were before she told him of the task.
But to be honest i still havent decided what to believe yet,
just thought i'd throw the questions i have been pondering over into the pot.
Last edited by celtic star : 03-06-2005 at 08:39

I didn't what buy what Kemal had to say in diary uncut about Makosi's little secret.

He doesn't think much of their 'friendship' if he thinks she is lying to him.

He knows she is telling the truth, but Kemal doesnt want her little secret to come across as an advantage as far as the voting public is concerned.

i think kem and mak are the 2 sharpest people in the house, but from what i saw up til now, its looking like kem might have values about fairness, whereas mak is wrapped in egotism and judging situations in a vain way that doesnt make sense. all her stuff about 'being hurt' and 'why are people arguing' was a bit strange. she seems to hold grudges (including wrong grudges, like les)

kem is looking more stable to me, and is maybe worrying about mak being a bit unstable, which could be right.

Kemal has no problems with what Kamosi has done or how she handles the events imo. The reason I beleive this is that in the Diary Room he was already trying to work out how he could use this to HIS own advantage - whether it meant spilling the beans on his confidant in the house (Kamosi) or not ...

Keep your friends close but your enemies even closer should be the motto for this BB house.

or another way Kemal can make Kemal the centre of attention, sorry that is my opinion of why Kemal does anything.

Kemal likes being on the inside looking out but he’s smart enough to demonstrate some fake moral panic in the diary room for the viewing public.

This will come out at some point though and Kemal is now firmly implicated when all he had to do to be safe forever from nominations (from all but Makosi) was to sacrifice her to the group and reveal her lies. All the more laudable that it would have been after he’d seen her choosing to continue the deception when she was perfectly free to tell one and all that she was forced to be a bitch for a week.

I don't think it is double standards. Becki was hardly liked before the Judas Kiss but the reason the public turned against her even more was to do with specifically the person she choose for this kiss.

She was privy to knowledge that the nation wanted the Jungle cats out (more so Jason) and she choose someone who had already been up for eviction and in the middle of a love story.

Had she choosen Jason she would have been a national hero.....for a few weeks at least.

that's spot on - good judgements

I really feel Kemal has been targetted by Makosi as the most likely threat to her winning BB6. Last year's winner was a flamboyant, arrogant personality. It's no coincidence that several of this year's lot have gone for the same "image", surely? To my mind, Kemal carried it off the best on entering the house, and I think she decided immediately to pal up with him for her own ends.

She could have told anyone/everyone about the task she had but she CHOSE to tell Kemal. Why not Derek? He had pretty much worked out that she was up to something too, and conspired with her to an extent (over the apron washing incident, for example - "you deserve an Oscar".

Kemal's now damned if he betrays her and damned if he keeps quiet. Very cunning of her but I rather hope it backfires. I saw his diary room chat as perfectly natural, who else could he discuss his concerns with? And he's dead right not to trust her entirely, after all! Do we know that she told him who else had the most nominations? I don't think she HAS shared that info with him, all she said at the time was that SHE had to get the most and she had succeeded. She thereby explained her behaviour, keeping him on her side when he was beginning to suspect her, and shared the info that she had nominated Craig & Mary, which she DIDN'T need to tell him. She automatically made him her co-conspirator, he knows that the GBP will feel some sympathy for her, for having to make herself unpopular, so if he now betrays her he's a target for the public vote as soon as he's up. Quite apart from all that he may actually be a decent human being who feels compelled to keep a confidence - is that too hard for us cynical lot to accept?

I agree with Alrightmate, although I liked Kemal anyway. But I also liked Mary up until the night she found out she'd been nominated, whereupon her behaviour was utterly ridiculous and I lost all respect for her.

i agree with what you say about becki and the circumstances were different

on the subjest of maks choices of noms, i would say makosis choice of 'craig' was an unjust choice. thats his BB over through no fault of his own. i dont think he has done anything to upset mak (although he doesnt trust her)

mak has said that derek is just an act. science has been aggressive, les is impossible. maxwell ? (i like him). i think any of them along with mary would have been 'just' choices.

If this is true, then why was Michelle voted out, Becki's Judas kiss was the same as Makosi's task, it's just that the tabloids blasted Becki and everyone followed. Makosi and Becki both did what they had to do. They were both brilliant.

It would be a sure fire suicide if she told them about what she had done. It's better for her to continue as she is now people are now saying they like Makosi so she has more chance of surviving if she starts from fresh rather than confessing about the task.

She did say in that conversation with Mary that today she hasn't been causing any trouble and Mary agreed that not that day but before that.