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Kemal Not Comfortable with Makosi Lying to Mary
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sunset4ever
03-06-2005
But why wouldn't Makosi lie to Mary? She doesn't have to tell her about the secret task. She confided in Kemal because he is her friend and she didn't think he would hold it against her. If she starts telling people that she was deliberately upsetting everyone, people will start to figure out what happened.
lulu g
03-06-2005
I didn't see Kemal's visit to the DR, but I'd guess that he was thinking, if Makosi can lie so unflinchingly to Mary - and nominate her - she could easily do the same to me.

I think for him to tell the others Makosi's secret would be a mistake. The GBP would see him as a snitch and a traitor. His best option would be to tell Makosi that he feels uncomfortable having this privileged knowledge and to urge her to tell the others, saying it's unfair not to. If she won't, then he should withdraw from her. It would spoil his fun, so he may not want to, but it would give him the moral high ground.
anna123
03-06-2005
Originally Posted by sunset4ever:
“But why wouldn't Makosi lie to Mary? She doesn't have to tell her about the secret task. She confided in Kemal because he is her friend and she didn't think he would hold it against her. If she starts telling people that she was deliberately upsetting everyone, people will start to figure out what happened.”

yep i agree.
I also think if kamel was to tell everyone he wouldn't look like a loyal friend.
I don't think kamel and makosi talk as much as they did but i think thats possibly as mak is making an efort to get on with people after having a week of winding people up, now she can have a laugh with people and build bridges it is working, even maxwell said he likes her more now.
lulu g
03-06-2005
Originally Posted by sunset4ever:
“But why wouldn't Makosi lie to Mary? She doesn't have to tell her about the secret task. She confided in Kemal because he is her friend and she didn't think he would hold it against her. If she starts telling people that she was deliberately upsetting everyone, people will start to figure out what happened.”

They had known each other for five days, and they are competing against each other for the same prize. Should she have felt so sure of him?
ForumDiva
03-06-2005
I get more and more of a feeling that Makosi will become 'the chosen one'. BB has been all about her since it started and while I appreciate it was a lucky break for BB that she came to the DR, they must be rubbing their hands with glee at the outcome.

I wouldn't be surprised in the least if BB let's the others know precisely what happened and her HM's turn on her making the public sympathetic to her cause.
Alrightmate
03-06-2005
Originally Posted by sunset4ever:
“But why wouldn't Makosi lie to Mary? She doesn't have to tell her about the secret task. She confided in Kemal because he is her friend and she didn't think he would hold it against her. If she starts telling people that she was deliberately upsetting everyone, people will start to figure out what happened.”

That's not the point I was making.
It's not so much about why wouldn't Makosi lie to Mary, it's more about why she lied to Mary in that particular instance when she didn't need to.
She didn't even need to lie right then, it just wasn't necessary, she could have kept our mouth shut.
But Makosi reacted to Mary with contempt, and decided to take the moral high ground.

Mary felt that a lot of HMs are fake, and it was Makosi's reaction to that statement. She could have just kept her mouth shut, but instead looked angry with Mary for saying what she felt, and looked a bit insulted by what Mary said by saying "It wasn't me" making out she was all innocent.

It was as though Makosi got a bit angry with Mary for making such a suggestion, and leapt up to her own defence when she didn't need to.
Makosi could have kept quiet, but decided to take the moral high ground by claiming that she herself hadn't done such a thing.
Maybe Makosi felt that the nomination thing was all over and the heat was off her, so when Mary said that she thought people were starting arguments for the sake of it, it's possible that Makosi got a bit angry about that because Mary had somehow exposed Makosi's involvement winding people up last week all over again.

It was the moral indignation that Makosi showed to Mary, as though Makosi wouldn't do such a thing, and that Makosi wanted to distance herself from her mission last week so she'd have an easy life from now on.

This isn't about Makosi revealing her mission to all housemates, it was about Makosi's insistence to take the moral high ground in this particular instance.
And Kemal's reaction to this particular instance.

It was completely unecessary for Makosi to say much at that moment, but instead chose to plead the innocent and ask why is everyone arguing as though she has too much integrity to do such a thing, and challenge Mary for even daring to suggest that she had also been creating arguments all last week.
I think that Makosi might have thought that the heat was off her over her mission, and Mary had unwittingly dredged it all back up for her, so Makosi acted with contempt with Mary for bringing back and putting some focus on Makosi and her mission again. Makosi appeared to be very self-conscious about it, and defended herself when there was really no defence she could offer.
Makosi took the moral high ground, but there was no ground for her to stand on.

I don't think Kemal liked all this, knowing that both Mary and Craig would be upset at having been nommed thinking everyone in the house hated them, when it was only down to Makosi herself.
Makosi could have kept her mouth shut, or said very little, but instead, Makosi decided to take the moral high ground and act a bit shirty with Mary, possibly because she feared that Mary had unwittingly put the focus of the "mission" back onto Makosi again. And Makosi looked annoyed at Mary and chose to act the "innocent little me". It was almost like gloating over Mary and Craig to their faces.

Kemal saw all this, and I think that is why he may have reacted at that particular point. maybe due to self interest to distance himself from Makosi's fake morality, or maybe because he felt genuine discomfort over the whole shared secret again.
As the poster above suggested, if Makosi can shaft other housemates so unflinchingly without batting an eyelid, acting all moral and indignant, how easy would it be for Makosi to suddenly turn on Kemal if she felt like it?

On a side point, amazingly, both Craig and Mary had got the least nominations in the house. They both only got one nomination each.
mindyann
03-06-2005
To some degree I can understand why Makosi hasn't said anything yet. When she came out the diary room, BB announced the results would be announced in one minute - she barely had time to grab Kamal and whisper what had gone off to him, there certainly wasn't time to have a full housemate meeting - can you imagine trying to explain what she'd had to do to that lot in one minute? After the nominations were announced, she probably thought it wasn't quite the best time to let them know - I mean, only half the truth (I've saved myself from eviction so this means that either Craig or Mary are up because of that) would have been bad enough - the whole truth would have been suicide. Then when it all kicked off and people's attitudes probably meant she thought she'd better keep it to herself. I think she did try to plant the seeds of doubt in to people's minds when she was saying how she expected to be for eviction and so on. I suppose now too much time has passed and so much has been said that she thinks it's best to let it lie.
Alrightmate
03-06-2005
Originally Posted by mindyann:
“To some degree I can understand why Makosi hasn't said anything yet. When she came out the diary room, BB announced the results would be announced in one minute - she barely had time to grab Kamal and whisper what had gone off to him, there certainly wasn't time to have a full housemate meeting - can you imagine trying to explain what she'd had to do to that lot in one minute? After the nominations were announced, she probably thought it wasn't quite the best time to let them know - I mean, only half the truth (I've saved myself from eviction so this means that either Craig or Mary are up because of that) would have been bad enough - the whole truth would have been suicide. Then when it all kicked off and people's attitudes probably meant she thought she'd better keep it to herself. I think she did try to plant the seeds of doubt in to people's minds when she was saying how she expected to be for eviction and so on. I suppose now too much time has passed and so much has been said that she thinks it's best to let it lie.”

I know mindyann, I understand why she declined to tell everyone during the time of her "mission", I also understood why Fed also kept quiet for the same sort of thing in BB4.
But I was talking about the behaviour and reactions during that particular conversation the other night.
Just that event.
Mary's idea that people have been creating arguments to strut like peacocks.
Makosi's annoyance for Mary to suggest such a thing.
Mary challenging Makosi directly over Makosi's behaviour over the last week.
Mary and Craig having a hard time thinking everyone hates them.
Makosi's reluctance to acknowledge this, and brazenly acting the innocent little me.
Makosi taking the moral high ground.
Kemal's reaction to the conversation and subsequent visit to the Diary Room to check out Makosi's story about her "Mission" with Big Brother.

It looked like Makosi was paranoid and uncomfortable about Mary.
And that Kemal was paranoid and uncomfortable about Makosi.

I wasn't really commenting on Makosi and her mission over the last week, I was talking about Makosi's behaviour during that particular conversation, and Kemal's immediate reaction.
She didn't need to say anything, but appeared to take exception to Mary's suggestion and took the moral high ground as though Mary had offended her.
mindyann
03-06-2005
Originally Posted by Alrightmate:
“I know mindyann, I understand why she declined to tell everyone during the time of her "mission", I also understood why Fed also kept quiet for the same sort of thing in BB4.
But I was talking about the behaviour and reactions during that particular conversation the other night.
Just that event.
Mary's idea that people have been creating arguments to strut like peacocks.
Makosi's annoyance for Mary to suggest such a thing.
Mary challenging Makosi directly over Makosi's behaviour over the last week.
Mary and Craig having a hard time thinking everyone hates them.
Makosi's reluctance to acknowledge this, and brazenly acting the innocent little me.
Makosi taking the moral high ground.
Kemal's reaction to the conversation and subsequent visit to the Diary Room to check out Makosi's story about her "Mission" with Big Brother.

It looked like Makosi was paranoid and uncomfortable about Mary.
And that Kemal was paranoid and uncomfortable about Makosi.

I wasn't really commenting on Makosi and her mission over the last week, I was talking about Makosi's behaviour during that particular conversation, and Kemal's immediate reaction.
She didn't need to say anything, but appeared to take exception to Mary's suggestion and took the moral high ground as though Mary had offended her.”

Sorry if that came across wrong - it's just that if I were in Makosi's place I don't know what I'd do - I'd like to think that I'd come clean, but deep down to be honest I don't think I would, and put it in the context of playing a game for money and having to turn round and get the people who dislike you now not to nominate you in 4 or 5 days time ..... dilemma.
I agree with you about her attitude to Mary - again, part of me thinks could that have been guilt and a bit of not knowing about how to act/react and another thinks that she playing them and the game 'cos when it comes down to it, I think Makosi is a master tactition but I do think that part of her downfall could come from letting Kamal into the secret - to be safe she should have told everybody or nobody.
rediproof
03-06-2005
I think the one thing that we are all missing is that Makosi did not have to take the challenge. By BB offering the chance to avoid eviction in the short term she has set herself up for more problems in the long run. It's now more likely that she will be up for nomination each week after annoying everyone so much.

If she had refused and gone up in public vote its likely that she would have been up against the most anoying HM and would have likely survived the public vote as everyone knew the challenge she was set. By completeing the challenge Makosi has shown her true self.
malaikah
03-06-2005
Originally Posted by Juicy Bug:
“Craig in particular has taken the rejection very hard, and I find the way Makosi can just watch that quite vile”

Why should it be 'vile'..?

They aren't friends, they owe each other no loyalty.

Housemates should prepare themselves for the inevitable rejection of beng nominated - whether or not it is for 'real', or 'fixed' as it was in this case.

Why should a housemate be granted sympathy for their inability to handle an inevitable part of being a BB housemate... What did they expect? Were they 100% confident of winning against twelve other housemates?!

It is after all only a 'game' they are playing, and they have the right to be ruthless.
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