I'll ignore the sarcasm.
I fail to see the problem. Everything is in spoiler tags AND there is a big warning in bold type to deter people from reading if they do not want to know.
Last edited by DenWatts : 09-06-2005 at 19:09

I agree Den, you couldn't have made it more clearer that it was a pretty major spoiler

Personally I like the spoilers and read them. Doesn't mean I take to heart or believe them all though until I see the events with my own eyes

I said to myself - right, I'll read the very last line of the second spoiler, and NO MORE. What does it say:

Check out the offical Dr Who site now, made to look like the Big Brother website! I love the "Intergalatic" Big Brother Eye!

www.bbc.co.uk/drwho

I can't wait for this weeks episode!!

I apologise in advance if this has already been posted, but due to the number of posts its hard to find.

ok i missed last weeks episode... hopefully my mate will come up trumps on vid..

I get the general gist but if someone can point me in the direction of a good sysnopsis that would be kewl.. ta

JP

I don't think that it spoils anything because it sounds to me like someone has cobbled together what they've seen and read and guessed the rest.

The lines about CJ's weapon raised a smile though, and at the same time confirmed that this is no more than mischief-making IMHO.

Here's the story:

An ancient Dalek has been kidnapped and a ransom note is answered by an earlier incarnation of the Doctor.

No need for spoiler tags - this is the real world.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/somerset/4077698.stm

Icouldnt believe this when I read it earlier

Cj

There's nothing in the thread above that would give away a spoiler if you don't double click. If you did, you still won't know until Saturday whether it's right or not. I click on spoilers 'cos it doesn't ruin my enjoyment but respect the right of others not to be spoilt. It's really a non-issue. And as for the idea that the OP of the "biggie" spoiler posted it to be "first", the OP was on OG, which many people on here already read!

I read these threads regularly but have avoided reading spoilers and am really grateful to people who have been careful about this.

With the exception of one uncovered-up piece of possibly important info on the Bad Wolf thread I am still mostly ignorant about the last episode (which is great!)

Absolutely.

I read that on OG hours before I posted it here - and only then because I knew some people would have liked to have known but do not have accounts for OG.

The information was well covered up AND had warnings - like you say, La'G - it's a non-issue.

Sorry, but the reason I ended up here was that the dedicated Websites were full of people for whom history of the show and hierarchy mattered far more than anything else and this week more than any other this thread has demonstrated that. There have been lots of comments on "Boom Town" which have been lost/ignored in favour of speculation and the like...I guess it is an issue and the ongoing separate thread debate will solve it but for me, I don't subscribe to OG for a reason...ok, I don't have to open the spoiler it's true, but now the thread is a page longer than it need be as a result and if we all start importing stuff wholesale from other sites then occasional posters and people posting for the episode or looking in to read views will not bother because what would be the point?

Maybe it's just me...anyhow, gripe over since I seem to be in the minority, knock yourselves out...democracy is a marvellous thing

Awww John. Can we have a group hug and get back to discussing Boom Town on this thread? Presumably we only have a few hours to go until the next ep thread starts for real. I'll try to make sure that if I want to waffle about anything else I do it in the applicable thread, or even start a new one (which would be a first for me, actually, as my thread cherry has yet to pop).

Anyway - I really enjoyed Boom Town. I didn't find that it dragged in the places where some other posters felt that it dragged - I thought the pace was good, the writing good, that it worked on many different levels. I liked the way the dynamic had changed between the Doctor and CJ - that they were relaxed and bantering.

I thought Annette Badland was excellent, and I can't understand all the gripes about Slitheen wind problems - Margaret kept mentioning that her "tummy" was rumbling, in a very ladylike, very Lady Mayoressy way, in fact. There were no Loos moments.

I actually felt for her when she was crying in the ladies room, and I liked the way her character kept changing - and I enjoyed the teleporting visual gag, and thought it rather amusing that some people hated it for being childish. (Um, some very young people, with ages in single figures, do actually watch this show, they just don't clamber onto a high chair to post on here about it.)

I enjoyed the duelling wits at dinner scene, too, and I liked the ending, and the chance of redemption.

I didn't find anything to dislike about this episode, actually. I should watch it again to get the full flavour, perhaps. But I can't see why so many people are so ready to knock everything RTD writes - without him, there would have been nothing new to argue about, pontificate about, bond about and laugh about in these threads for the past umpteen weeks. And I know there's the argument that he wasn't the sole mover in returning DW to our screens, but he played a huge part in it, and for that, surely, he should be applauded rather than pilloried?

I liked it a lot. In fact, it played on my mind for so long that I ended up having Who-influenced dreams the other night (don't ask...). I found it incredibly dark, especially the dinner table chat - I kept wondering what your average under-twelve would make of it, as a lot of the dialogue was about some really heavy topics. I even found myself really liking CE for the first time. His Doctor has been so hard to get a mental grip on throughout the series, but now I'm starting to dread his departure.

Something I liked about this episode was that it centred very much on the characters involved. Good old Captain Jack has been a fantastic addition to the show, and I love the playful element that has been introduced with him. I wasn't overly thrilled by the trailer for next week, though, but I'll reserve judgement about it until Saturday

That's just sparked off a thought in my mind!

Perhaps Boomtown was encapsulating the series (or the story arc) as a whole, into 1 episode (bear with me! )

We all have suspicions that the Doctor has done something terrible, and in his attempt to run away from it has only made things worse (time war).

Boomtown showed this perfectly - the Slitheen had done something terrible - she teleported herself out of No.10, but left her family. The Doctor, we suspect, fled the time war, and left the rest of the Time Lords to perish.

Throughout the series, the Doctor has also been reckless - blowing things up and letting people die, just so he was OK. This is what the Slitheen planned to do - destroy the Earth so she could be with the rest of her family. However, she was stopped and was given the chance of redemption - another crack at life.

Perhaps this is what will happen in the final two episodes - the Doctor will have a chance to get out of the mess he's in, but it will have grave consequences for a huge number of people. He decides not to take the opportunity, and is rewarded with another shot at this life: instead of regenerating into the 10th doctor, things go back (like the Slitheen into its egg) to the point where Paul McGann regenerates into David Tennant.

And the Bad Wolf - well, that is the Doctor. He is destructive for his own personal gain, but is given the chance to redeem himself.

(Usual speel - hope this makes sense; 3 in the morning etc. )

If this turns out to be true, I will be seriously shocked

And if this has been posted before, then sorry - the thread's just too long to read!!

I'm with you on this one, John. The pointless and increasingly bizarre speculation on this thread (and seemingly every other Doctor Who thread on DS) has completely overshadowed discussion of Boom Town, which is what this thread is supposed to be about.

It was this posting, from another forum:
that convinced me that I no longer wish to participate in all this fanw*nk and will simply watch and enjoy the programmes as RTD intended.

Well, John, it's probably a bad habit from the terrible days when we only had one DW thread per week. If we agree that next series we'll have a spoilers thread (or whatever - we could call it "the fanw*nk thread" in honour of gymboy ) and a post-episode discussion thread, it shouldn't ever be a problem, eh!
Last edited by La Guardianista : 10-06-2005 at 07:43

The Beeb put a lot of work into useless websites etc. if no intra-episode discussion was intended, did they not?
P.S. I think I've been watching too much DT in preparation for next seasons DW - my syntax has returned to its 'living in Scotland' days!

Nothing wrong with a bit of idle speculation - that's what the threads are for after all!

I believe someone mentioned about people being too jaded to appreciate things at certain levels?

Ah well, never mind

mornin all

first off, on the spoiler thing, i agree that they can take up a lot of space on the thread, and not everyone wants to read them.. personally i do, because i have plenty of my own theories about what is or is not going to happen, i love speculation, which was all that episode guide was (we have no proof that this is actually what will happen!)

i think a spoiler thread is a cracking idea, as i do think that the individual ep threads should really be for discussing the eps, and they can end up getting quite confusing. perhaps a spoiler thread in the context of a SCI-FI FORUM!!!! would be the answer

im going to watch boomtown again tonight, as i think there are aspects which washed over me the first time (as i said before i didnt rate the ep but im prepared to give it a second chance) i like the idea of the theme being an encapsulation of the entire season and think that is well worth investigating further!!

The trouble is, there are so many people posting similar threads, I don't mind repeating myself as sometimes I don't know which thread I posted in, but it makes me think I'm senile when I can't find a thread I thought was there. Everything else gets buried by a rush of WHO threads. By the time I've sifted through one thread (especially if I haven't been on in a couple of days) the order of the threads has changed when I go back onto the TV Programmes main section again. What was there has been relegated by even more stuff. Don't get me wrong, I love the discussion. I'm not complaining about expressing interest in one of my favourite shows, its just the way it is done causes me frustration.

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A thought occurs to me regarding the RTD episodes, whereas as all the other writers are writing self contained stories, RTD is writing a series and it shows in his episodes. None of them are quite complete, they have loose ends. With that in mind it will be interesting to see if the next two episodes will change the perception of the ones before.

actually im not sure that any of the episodes have really been tied up with no loose ends, i have stated before that CE has been acting in a very un-doctorish way through the season, i think there are elements from every single ep which have been left unresolved, which could come back and haunt the doc over the final two eps

Don't think people are knocking RTD for his efforts at getting DW back on our screens, or the surrounding hype - what can we say? Tremendous job. Outstanding, even. But his writing... mmm... it really hasn't been the best, has it? In all fairness? Without wanting to start a fight here? Be honest, fellas...

To me, R's episodes have appeared poorly conceived self-indulgent twaddle with plot-holes you can drive a truck through. The series has been genuinely high quality overall, so it's a shame these episodes have kinda let the side down for many viewers. Perhaps he's a terrific writer, but just not when it comes to sci-fi?