You're insulting FM's by suggesting we don't know the difference. We didn't miss the point , just didn't labour it.

So Craig IS allowed to discuss nominations but Derek is not. Rather un pc surely.

You're twisting that though. Derek was discussing nominations in the first form, thus he is the one breaking the rules.

2 wrongs DO make a right then?

Derek saying to Science "the group dynamic would probably be completely different if Saskia and Sam left" is basically saying that they're the two he might be nominating and it's also encouraging Science to do the same.

I can almost hear Derek talking to himself before the show in his smug voice "of course, yes, that's the way I can phrase things without being accused of discussing nominations, oh why didn't I think of that earlier, I can really hoodwink Big Brother with that one".

He's a schemer, a plotter and he's going to play them off against each other more and more as time goes by. I'd even go as far as to say he's going to be Nasty Nick II.

So tell me, how do you expose someone for discussing nominations - without telling someone what they are doing?

So Craig is now some super hero, who right's wrongs and ensure justice for the weak (minded).

Craig the Judge Dread of BB6 ensuring the 'law' is done.. Craig, 'Justice' with a mullet. Craig The ONLY HM who can tell when he is having nomination discussion is actually a nomination discsussion.

FFS I know some of them are a weak minded bunch, but if you are in DISCUSSING nominations then it's not hard to know, why must it be upto Craig to tell everyone about it.

Yep! and that is what makes BB entertaining . Honestly the HM's can never win. If there devious then they are evil, if they are quiet then they are boring, If they are sexy then they are slutish. What would be *your* ideal HM ?

Agreed, thank goodness other people can see through him and not blinded by his 'genius'.

People forget this is what he does as a career, he's a political analyst and the house is all about polictics and dynamics. He's a state of the art version of Mary who was on the right track, only his brain is a sophisticated computer whilst poor Mary's was an abacas.

Now you're being flippant. Craig has done what most people would have done and told the others that there's a rulebreaker in the house. If you wanted him not to tell anybody and let Derek unfairly gain an advantage over the housemates than so be it but he's breaking the rules, pure and simple.

Who claimed he was a superhero???
Why shouldn't Craig be the one to tell? Would it have been better if mousy Vanessa told?

There you go again insulting FM's calling them weak brained because they don't agree with you. You've been listening to Makosi, Mary and Derek too long. But I forgive you, I haven't had my coffee yet and you may be right. x

I'm being flippant so sue me. BUT my original point was that surely Craig bitching on about Derek discussing nominations is just as bad, but you and others have decided that Craig is allowed too as long as he is telling everyone else about nomination discussions.

It's one way or another, either Craig is equally guilty of discussing nominations or he and his supporters consider the other HMs too daft to know when they are discussing nominations.

Yes Derek is wrong, but please do not condemn him and praise Craig for doing exactly the same thing.

what actually did derek say to craig?

I love it... more of the same please. I love the scheming and gameplaying...it's all about influencing others and the Sam/Saskia comment was subtle enough not to be called rule breaking methinks. After all the jungle cats were at it all the time last year. and early on it was well tolersted by BB.

given the choice between whiney craig (no past public high-profile) or creepy derek (and his dubious public past) ... some of us choose to side with craig by a mile.

balance and fairness isn't always a part of the equation.

Only they were punished for it. Not being able to nominate and the others knowing why is a bit harsh when Derek is getting away with it and he's been doing it all week.

Why not let them all discuss nominations then it would be a fairer competition.

Thats a good thing, the sooner Derek goes out the better.

Lol, oh dear you are getting a lot of flak So I would just like to say, I am with you on this one

Fine whinge about Derek being a tory, moan about his blood lust, I can handle both those, but when some are starting create a deity in that creepy little git Craig for doing the same thing the it samcks of ...... 'something'

Fair enough- you're right of course- and no doubt Dek will get his come uppance. There is an argument for allowing discussion of nominations but it would be a very different game.

even if it was a choice between siding with creepy derek or.... the real rat we saw in the garden a few days back, i'd spend my last pennies on voting for the real rat.

I'd rather have evil and calculating than whining and moaning to watch.

Can anyone tell me what Derek actually said to Craig. I watch the live streaming and missed this conversation.

I would like to know what was said aswell. I must have missed it.

Angie

I don't think he discussed nominations as such, other than he and Science were saying that no way should Mary and Craig (he also told Mary he thought it was odd) be up for eviction going on the reaction of the hms to the nominations and announcement, they actually worked out that Makosi had immunity.

The only other thing he said that it would be interesting to see either Sam or Saskia leave and how it would effect the group dynamic.

He has not discussed nominations anymore than most hms in the past, infact Craig is more guilty if you consider how he has targetted people with his bitching, that to my mind is more likely to influence nominations than anything that Derek has said.