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craig has poisoned everyone against derek
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Alrightmate
04-06-2005
Originally Posted by imno12u:
“You're twisting that though. Derek was discussing nominations in the first form, thus he is the one breaking the rules.”

Craig has been discussing nominations.

Last night while with Max, Ant, and Lesley, Craig said several times...

..."I hope nobody nominates me next week"

He said it a few times over the course of an hour to both Max and Ant.

Then he asked them if they thought the public hated him,..trying to fish for compliments, and generally turning the disussion onto himself trying to get the others to massage his ego.
Rain
04-06-2005
Yes, that is not influencing nominations!

Originally Posted by Rain:
“I really cannot stand Derek one bit. Not only is he a viping man on at any one who thinks they are right, he looks down his nose at people and talks about people behind there back. He was really horrid to Lesley behind hers, saying "Ooooh, I have got bolognese on me tits, Oooh me tits". He is so dirty with his mouth it is unbelievable, and what he called Mary last night. Well that was just laughable!

Anyway, with the latest news on him it seems I was right to never take to him. Though he is not my least favourte housemate!”

Alrightmate
04-06-2005
Originally Posted by biomorph04:
“given the choice between whiney craig (no past public high-profile) or creepy derek (and his dubious public past) ... some of us choose to side with craig by a mile.

balance and fairness isn't always a part of the equation.”

Craig has done exactly the same thing as Derek.

He tried to ask Max, Lesley and Ant not to nominate him next week.

In the same sort of sly way that Derek has been described as doing.
melodytoon
04-06-2005
Originally Posted by dome:
“I don't think he discussed nominations as such, other than he and Science were saying that no way should Mary and Craig (he also told Mary he thought it was odd) be up for eviction going on the reaction of the hms to the nominations and announcement, they actually worked out that Makosi had immunity.

The only other thing he said that it would be interesting to see either Sam or Saskia leave and how it would effect the group dynamic.

He has not discussed nominations anymore than most hms in the past, infact Craig is more guilty if you consider how he has targetted people with his bitching, that to my mind is more likely to influence nominations than anything that Derek has said.”

Well said, dome - finally, someone has got it. He could have made exactly the same point about any of the more extrovert HMs like Mary, Makosi, Kamal, Max & Roberto, & it would have been valid - the group dynamic would be affected by any of them leaving, & in some cases for the better. He voted for Sam & Saskia, but if his words had influenced people's nominations Sam & Saskia probably wouldn't have left, so he wouldn't have gained anything. Rather than be miserable to see them staying, he nearly burst a blood vessel with joy (love the line about being so excited he could sleep with a woman ) after the nominations which ended up being two people he hadn't nominated at all.

I suspect that, rather than trying to influence the nominations, by telling Craig about possible effects on group dynamics he was rather cleverly telling Craig they wouldn't be affected if Craig went! The worst he did was set a trap for Craig. If he counted on Craig not being savvy enough to interpret his words correctly, it's easy to see how Craig then would do the very thing he shouldn't have, i.e. talk about nominations to everyone who would listen. Like a lamb to the slaughter...
Rain
04-06-2005
He was really horrid to Lesley behind hers, saying "Ooooh, I have got bolognese on me tits, Oooh me tits". He is so dirty with his mouth it is unbelievable, and what he called Mary last night. Well that was just laughable!
misspancras
04-06-2005
Could someone let me know. Was this supposedly conversation between Derek and Craig shown, or was it just Craig stating that is what Derek had said.

IMO, I suspect that this is just Craig starting his new campaign. Last week it was Makosi, and I suspect it will be Science or Sam next.
Crimpo
04-06-2005
Basically lets sum Derek up -

Women are acceptable only when they agree with everything Derek says...
Libby33
04-06-2005
I don't know anything about Craig poisoning people against Derek.. but i sure wish people would just poison craig.

Arsenic or cyanide anybody?
foxyred
04-06-2005
No Craig, Ireland didn't vote for us, they weren't even in the Eurovision final. He talks some rubbish just so that people will listen to him. It's so sad.
slappers r us
04-06-2005
so derek disscused noms

its no worse than what craig does, he bitches about others until it gets through to his lap dogs then they vote for them

he just wants derek out personally i would love to see craig go up against derek in the public vote craig would be out the house quicker than shit of a stick
Kewpee
04-06-2005
Originally Posted by foxyred:
“No Craig, Ireland didn't vote for us, they weren't even in the Eurovision final. He talks some rubbish just so that people will listen to him. It's so sad.”


Actually I think Ireland did vote for us, you don't have to compete to vote.


And he's right about Derek too.
ForumDiva
04-06-2005
Originally Posted by Alrightmate:
“Craig has done exactly the same thing as Derek.”

But that wasn't in dispute nor does it nullify Derek's behaviour.
foxyred
04-06-2005
Originally Posted by slappers r us:
“so derek disscused noms

its no worse than what craig does, he bitches about others until it gets through to his lap dogs then they vote for them

he just wants derek out personally i would love to see craig go up against derek in the public vote craig would be out the house quicker than shit of a stick”

Seems like Vanessa does have a mind of her own after all. She didn't nominate Makosi. Now that Craig seems to have teamed up more with Lesley, Vanessa doesn't get dragged into the bitching so much now. I hope she sees sense and realises that nasty bitching gets you nowhere in this programme.
Achtung
04-06-2005
Originally Posted by dome:
“The only other thing he said that it would be interesting to see either Sam or Saskia leave and how it would effect the group dynamic.”

I'm sure he said it would be interesting to see how the group dynamic would change if both Saskia and Sam left and then went on to say that things would change for the better.

If that's not trying to influence someone else's vote then what is?

He's devious.
Kewpee
04-06-2005
Originally Posted by Achtung:
“I'm sure he said it would be interesting to see how the group dynamic would change if both Saskia and Sam left and then went on to say that things would change for the better.

If that's not trying to influence someone else's vote then what is?

He's devious.”

That's what I thought too. I don't think Science was influenced, he makes up his own mind.

Later Derek was in bed with Makosi talking about the same 'house dynamics'. When Makosi said she likes some people, Derek then told the story of Sam in the kitchen on nomination day. According to Derek, Sam looked at Makosi and said 'I can't wait to nominate'. Makosi's eyes widened and Derek smirked. He knew he had convinced Makosi that Sam had nominated her. Which she hadn't.
Crimpo
04-06-2005
Originally Posted by Kewpee:
“Actually I think Ireland did vote for us, you don't have to compete to vote.


And he's right about Derek too.”

Ireland most definitely did vote for us - all nations got to vote in the final even if (like Ireland, Monace,Iceland, etc) their song had been eliminated in the semi-final.

Craig has been right three times so far - remember even a broken clock is right twice a day. He spotted Kemal, he spotted Derek and he knows his Eurovision...
Red_Duck
04-06-2005
Originally Posted by Achtung:
“Derek saying to Science "the group dynamic would probably be completely different if Saskia and Sam left"”

Yeah right. Get rid of the competiton and Deluded Derek thinks he might have a chance with the lads.
Rain
04-06-2005
Anyone noticed that Anthony and Max are having a good natter with the V Crew now, they seem to be interacting with them, where as Roberta & Dereka are currently bitching about Kemal's Bin and the cooking/shoppin lists, while Makosi and Kemal put Mary's witch props into good use!

The Hairum & The V's are gonna' provide entertainment that is not fake at least!

Sam excluded of course!
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