This is true, i have been watching the live feed, before Max stepped in, it had got to the stage where she couldnt even walk past through the same room without being shouted at or "stared out" Or being giggled about or sniped at.

Its not surprising all Sam ever says is shut up, most of the time she gets spoken to its nasty.

She has the classic behavior of somone whos been bullied

Nervous laugh, crouched ove rherself, doesnt join in, isolated from the group...

Maxwell has noticed she has changed and was concered enough to confront Lesleh about it

That's how I feel. Lesley cannot be left in over Sam, it would be like we were condoning her bullying behaviour.

Sam is the Victim because Lesley made her one. How Lesley can accuse her of saying things about her when Sam barely opens her mouth I have no idea. The fact that Lesley thinks she is sniggering at her is Lesley's insecurities.

Ruined? She hardly did much to enhance the experience before all this started.

Children in school may worry about the repercussions of the bully being confronted because they fear getting cornered in the toilets or behind the bike sheds, but not with adults on a show where there are cameras everywhere.

As for your last comment, I am speculating on what I think of Sam, most of which was bought about by her mothers sickening statement in todays papers talking about how she feared Sam would commit suicide when she was a teenager. i think that is a disgusting and blatant play on public sympathy...Sod all to do with anything 'team Britney' have said, I can form my own opinions thanks.

Because on the rare occasion she does open her mouth something nasty comes out, most of the Hm's have commented on this.

This is the kind of damaging nonsense spouted by the average apologist for bullies who vilify the undeserving victim. Would you make the same remarks about victims of abuse or rape?

This nonsense that is being said as an obvious ploy to attempt to justify abominable behaviour is just another example of the kind of unreasonable persecution that Sam has been on the receiving end of. Pure fiction.

Sam is socially inadequate and herein lies the problem.. if she could communicate with the group her feelings instead of letting things simmer till the equally inadequate Max has to put his oar in, she might stand a chance.

Remove her for her own good and give her time to recover from this humiliation.

I find your opinions almost as foul and rage-filled as the pathetic behaviour of those reprehensible members of the house who are thoroughly and persistently engaging in a one sided war of attrition with their chosen target.

This is exactly the type of pathetic hysteria that really gets my back up. FYO I am in my 3rd year of training to be a counsellor and am currently doing voluntary work for rape crisis, who are desperately understaffed because unfortunately this country is caring less and less about helping others.
THIS IS NOT THE SAME! and I wish people would stop over-exaggerating the situation and throwing in stupid statements like that to try to put down anyone who sees it for what it is.

Rubbish. Leslie has been ramping up the unpleasantness in the last few days pretty sharply. Just because Cameras are around doesnt mean she cant go to more and more lengths to make Sams stay as bad as possible.

Being in the bigbrother house with a group of people that are targeting you in such a way does not give you a feeling that you would be any "safer" than being behind the bioke sheds.


Ive a feeling is Leslies mother came out and said how Leslie had a hard time at school you would be ready to accept that though.

Do you contend that Sam's "plan" involved a coordinated revelation to the papers at some pre-arranged point.

For example when Sam put the victim "plan" into action, her mother would start calling the tabloids and take care of the public sympathy part of the operation?

How do you see Leslies part in this, just a nice girl who is being deliberatley wound up, by the schemeing bikini clad Sam ?

Im sure mothers of bullies quite often say that the bully has been provoked, or that the target of the abuse is just "playing the victim"

"playing" ?????
She IS the victim.
Are you watching the same BB as the rest of us???

If you'd ever been involved with real victims I doubt you would have much sympathy for Sam either. None of her actions make me think she is being bullied to any great extent. If it was as unbearable as many are making out she could walk, I think all this sympathy is misplaced.

I'd seriously suggest an alternative profession.

I'm sure all the rape and abuse victims I have helped would disagree.

Sam winds them up just by existing. If, in addition, she looks at them, they're infuriated. Sam's expressions are often ambiguous, so much is read into them.

Kemal was talking with Sam and friends in the garden this afternoon and talked about people thinking too much. One of his examples: "Why is Sam wearing those earrings?" Perhaps he had Lesley in mind.

If he didn't, I still do.

If Sam does snipe at Lesley (which would be understandable, given how Lesley treats her), Les should just laugh it off, regard Sam as too inconsequential to be bothered by. That would be reasonable behaviour and give her the moral advantage.

Instead, Lesley is spoiling her own BB experience by being so concerned with Sam. (I am assuming that Lesley is capable to enjoying more than bitching and hateful staring.)

Lesley is also spoiling the show for me and I'm sure for some others, by making it be about petty jealousies and vindictiveness.

Sam, meanwhile, has begin to talk more, enjoy more, perhaps because she now has some support from other HMs.

This is all getting a bit too personal.

Mrs Miggins is simply putting across a view here and it's all getting out of hand.

None of us have any idea what Sam has gone through in her past or for that matter any one of the hms. For all we know Lesley could have been bullied at school as well and has now turned bully.

We can only judge hms on what we've viewed and I don't honestly think Sam is clever enough to come up with one plan after another especially to all of a sudden turn herself from sex kitten to victim.

She acts very inappropriate in groups and hence why so many of us have not liked her even though we don't condone the behaviour we've seen by the hms towards her. They see her as attention-seeking, which, let's face it, it was her overall plan to get the boys attention.

Lesley has shown extreme jealousy towards other female hms and Sam would naturally become a target for her as she was getting the attention initially from Max and Ant.

Lesley feels the group all like her more than Sam and has turned the others against her. Therefore, we've seen the evidence of group bullying and they are now all trying to justify their actions by telling themselves and each other that Sam deserves it.

This forum sometimes is almost a reflection of what's going on the house.

This thread is a good place to study rhetorical tecnhiques. One could make a list. Trivialise a wrong by pointing to much greater wrongs, for example. Invent motives for actions and treat them as facts.

It's also a good place to learn how arguments can be resisted forever by someone determined to do so and posessed of sufficient skill with words.

I'd give you about 20 minutes if you keep that up.


Not good Mrs Miggins.

I'd leave that little gem out of your dissertation if I were you.

How rude. Mrs Miggins is trying to be objective about the situation, as any professional would.
Good luck with the course, Mrs M.

In any other context, other than Big Brother, I'd agree.

I call a foul here. Emotive reference's any previous experience you may or may not have had with rape victims, does not make you any less WRONG.

Shamefull

Thankyou Pushka I am only trying to say things as I see them, it would be boring if we all agreed wouldn't it.

Mrs. M - do you identify with Lesley in any way?

err....on the other hand, it might just make her an expert at what was being discussed, ie equating post-rape trauma with Sam's distress at being barred from accessing her lipgloss...