And dont assume that because its on TV its not competant.

LOL - the likeness is uncanny.

Why would you unquestioningly trust the TV?

...Remember the whirly-wheel?

Thankfully my girlfriend doesn't watch BB or I'd have had to suffer a two hour lecture on everything wrong with this task.

Great, anotherone sees the light, she hasn't been a nice person since day 1, all the HM's can't be wrong!
Bullying is never right, but Sam deserves to go.

i have only just seen this post .
on essex radio today that were talking about bb and one of the guest said they sjould not be using a ari split for more than 2nrs at a time as it can cause blood clots???? i have not heard this before but by going by some posts on here i guess some of you have

I must own up - I'm not a doctor but when training to become a qualified first aider they drummed in to us that you must NEVER restrict the flow of blood to any limb. Its fine putting preasure on (like in the link quoted) but you must not tournique. An inflateable cast can quite easily become a tournique if inflated too much.

There are two risks with tourniques. The first has already been mentioned and is DVT. In this, the blood flow is restricted. When blood flows slowly, there is a greater risk of clots forming. The fact that the cast acts over a large area of leg makes the risk of DVT even greater.

The second risk is even more dangerous. If the preasure on a tournique is so great, your blood flows very slowly. This means your blood cannot remove the toxins that it should and the toxins would remain in your leg. The risk is then that the preasure is released and the concentrated toxins are allowed to flow to your liver. After 20 minutes of restricted blood flow, there can be enough toxins to give you instant liver failure.

Now that is what can happen. I'm not saying that the cast was put on in such a way that it was likely, but if casts are not used safely, these are potential risks.

Make your own mind up if you think sam was right or wrong.

Interesting. I don't know anything about splints etc, but I would have thought it would be common sense not to have it on for any length of time incase it restricts the circulation.

It wasn't an irrational fear; and if she was feeling pain, she should take it off.

Erm, I don't, normally I'd assume it was competent, including BB. But original post suggested otherwise, so I'm prepared to entertain the idea, not just dismiss it, like you are.

What SAm did was correct - you need to deflate the splint everyy so often - it should not be kept on for long periods

this is why they are mainly used by trained paramedics etc. to immobilise a limb prior to actual hospital treatment i.e. real casts etc.
You may have noticed that during the task roberto mentioned not letting the zip or something 'touch the wound', which would be correct procedure for a paramedic etc. - obviously once the patient is hospital any wound can be cleaned/prepeared prior to any further treatment in the case of compound fractures.
Me personally in sam's position - i'd have questioned BB's knowledge on the subject & then would have pointblank refused.
The fact that she was out in the sun in that thing will not have helped at all either.

lmao that is the funniest thing i have seen this evening

I think the point is that if an HM is in pain then they have the right to remove the source of that pain. They are in there to be humiliated and to lose all privacy for the duration of their stay. They are not there to be physically abused by other HMs or BB. If she was afraid that the pain she was suffering could lead to more serious consequences, then good on her for removing it. It is after all only a game show. There is no need to make yourself ill for the sake of the game.

Had Lesley removed the neck brace because it was hurting her neck, then that also would be perfectly ok.

One interesting point. BB didn't use the removal of the splint as a reason for one of the fails. It was that she was walking without the crutches. So it seems that BB allowed for the removal of the cast, so the whole arguement about removing it is completely void. However in the bitching fest about her failing the task for them, it was specifically stated that she had failed them by removing her cast, which clearly wasn't true. If it were then they would have had 4 fails on that day.

In the workplace for example, you have to be specifically trained to administer first aid. Unless all the HMs have been on first aid training courses, none of them should be 'playing' with medical equipment. I know that nobody is actually injured, but messing with this stuff can be seriously dodgy.

She'd only had it on for a short time when she started complaining. BB apparently told her to take it off if it made her leg ache and do a few exercises then put it back on but she didn't want to. They must have researched the effects the splint would have before asking any HM to wear one. Couldn't she just have worn it uninflated if it was giving her grief instead of refusing to wear it altogether. Let's not forget she didn't want to use the crutches or wear the hospital gown properly either which weren't exactly life threatening.

One other thing should there not have been a 'Do not try any of this at home' type warning just in case some kids decided to have a go at something similar. Maybe OTT but you never know. The wrong kids with the wrong devices and before you know it front page headlines 'Big Brother killed my child'. I mean music, films and games have been blamed in the press for awful things with little or no evidence to support the claims.

as munta I am a first aider and on the course that I was on was told by the instructor never to use an inflatable cast as they should only be used by qualified persons as munta said there is a risk of slowing down the blood flow and if to much pressure is applied you can restrict the blood flow completly, now if I'm a trained first aider and I'm told not to use it surely the housemates shouldn't be using one,
even Makosi who is a trained nurse said she wouldn't have used it but would have used bandages instead on yesterday's live streaming...

Its like Casualty in here.

I refuse to believe that big brother/doctor big/endemol would KNOWINGLY put a housemate at risk of death

Two years ago I had a knee replacment operation, unfortunatlly it went slightlly wrong and I had to wear a full length metal brace on my leg whenever I got out of bed. This was difficult to put on and also took a long time even for the nurses. To make life easier they also gave me a blow up splint almost identical to the one Sam was wearing for emergency use like quick trips to the toilet. It came with two rules.

1/ It must only be put on by a nurse trained to use them.

2/ I must not wear it for more than 30 minutes.

I asked why and was told that if it was over inflated it could cause DVT or cut of/reduce the blood supply to my leg also having it underinflated could cause other problems. If worn for more than 30 mins it caould cause DVT and other problems. This was at the Royal National Orthopedic Hospital at Stanmore so the should know what they are talking about.

In addition I had a couple of rules of my own after wearing it a couple of times.

1/ try not to wear it for more than 15 mins as it starts to get painful after that.

2/ do not go out in the sun with it on or wear it on a hot day as it very quickly turns into a mini greenhouse.

Last year I had the other knee done and two days after getting home my leg swelled up to such an extent that I had to call an ambulance. The paramedics decided they needed to imobolise my leg for the trip to hospital so got a splint to put on it. They used one which was a number of boards held in a vinyl outer with straps to bind it together. I asked them why they didn't use a blow up one and they said they tried to avoid using them as they can cause more problems than they solve.

So the OP was correct in that it shouldn't have been used in the first place and Sams actions, in this instance, were correct.

Don't you think BB looked into that? Or are you saying they are trying to kill some HM's, because from the seriousness of your posts you are suggesting that. I'm sure your knowledge of Systolic blood pressure is vast, but it is also very boring. :yawn: :sleep:

get in touch with any first aid organisation they will tell you exactly what has been posted that such casts should only be used by qualified persons and they can cause risks if not applied correctly and sorry but I doubt that any of the housemates playing the the part of the nurses or matron are fully trained in their application..

Quite why Helga is coming under attack from some posters,I'm puzzled.

Helga is absolutely correct.There is/was potentially great danger in mucking about with inflatable splints.When I had them on both legs they were connected to a machine which alternated the pressure every few minutes.

Id give up Mrs Miggins. Its seems everyone on here tonight is a doctor and desperate to impart knowledge.

What no-one has mentioned is that nobody here was party to any extra instructions Sam or any of the housemates were given in the diary room. How do any of us know she wasnt given specific instructions? Ahh but that wouldnt fit the "Endemol want to kill Sam" thread would it?

It may be boring you Mrs Miggens but it is absolutely correct.

Of course Endemol didn't look into it because if they had they wouldn't be so stupidly reckless.

Im seriously feeling left out now. Am i the only forum member not to have worn inflatable leg splints?