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Saskia, black men and 'husband material'
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smartgirl
09-06-2005
Originally Posted by Mandark:
“Well...one theory is that in the days of African slavery, slavemasters would deliberately stop black men and women forming family units, thus preventing potentially rebellious communities forming. It is believed that this anti-family behaviour has carried on with black men down the ages. Thus many black men in the West are considered as having a love 'em and leave 'em reputation.”


I heard this as well. I read that it was because a lot of black men were taken away from their families and therefore over the years had learned to detach themselves from getting emotionally attached to their children and family.
trinity2002
09-06-2005
I think it was a genuinely silly comment to make, mostly because I bet its being discussed on most forums now. I don't believe she had any racial undertones, or meant any offense and was just giving her opinion. But the reason I think it was a silly thing to say is because for her to say she's not being stereotypical, means she believes black men are stereotypically not marriage material, and is stupidly trying to imply other wise. The fact of it is...is some men in general aren't marriage material, whatever their race.

And unless she's hiding a deep secret, I'm sure she's dated white men too, and as I believe she isn't married........then surely they weren't marriage material either.

Like I said, just a silly comment, I'm sure she'll come to regret
^^not^^
09-06-2005
Originally Posted by Red_Duck:
“Not of course that there are any white single mothers. Oh wait a minute, what about those three white single Mothers ranging from 12-16 years old. ”

Are the babies white?

I do not think this is a very racist attitude but it does sound offensive.

She is saying what has led her to an attitude when choosing someone to be with. She may completely wrong, just as someone who may think that being married to a doctor is a fabulous life then is shocked at the number of hours they have to work/be on call for. Or perhaps a fireman who is attractive and heroic, but then leaves the wife at home worrying.

We are allowed to make silly choices when 'courting' - it is part of the growing up expereince.
ludovica
09-06-2005
For goodness sakes, can a person not express a personal preference any more??
Uber Goddess
09-06-2005
Originally Posted by Lullaby:
“and another thing whilst I am on a rant

Believe it or not there are many in the country with that view of immigrants as in her audition video

Do you know why - Blair and Bush's constant scaremongering and war on terror exagerated and enhanced to ensure greater control and re-election.

Many can see through them but the majority do not ”

That is bull, only the Sun and Daily Mail readership think like Saskia, anyone with a braincell wouldn't come out with such an idiotic and ignorant comment on their audition tape.

She seems to think just because she is 'a quarter Sri-Lankan' by heritage, this must automatically disqualify her from being labelled a racist when she comes out with such ignorant and blatantly hateful trite like 'immigrants are trying to blow us up.'

As soon as I saw that audition clip, I took an immediate disliking to her, so she has done nothing but a disservice to herself by proving how ugly she is under that pretty exterior.

Her latest inciteful offering about black men is just the icing on the cake. If she wasn't being racist then there was no need to point out how different her experiences were with black and white men, because to a non-racist the colour of the person is irrelevant - it's the inside that counts.

Granted, Sam may have a lot of personality flaws but at least she has the good sense to keep shtum than make an a*se of herself on national tv. Saska should keep her inane opinions to herself and just remain the pretty eyelash fluttering woman candy for Max and Anthony because that is all she is good for.
Mandark
09-06-2005
Originally Posted by Uber Goddess:
“That is bull, only the Sun and Daily Mail readership think like Saskia, anyone with a braincell wouldn't come out with such an idiotic and ignorant comment on their audition tape.

She seems to think just because she is 'a quarter Sri-Lankan' by heritage, this must automatically disqualify her from being labelled a racist when she comes out with such ignorant and blatantly hateful trite like 'immigrants are trying to blow us up.'”

Bang on! I've heard that 'I'm a bit ethnic myself so how can I be racist?' a few times. You should post more!
Mandark
09-06-2005
Originally Posted by ludovica:
“For goodness sakes, can a person not express a personal preference any more??”

No, no and no. My way or the highway!!!
Alrightmate
09-06-2005
Originally Posted by thms:
“good thread DaisyDumplin..

saskia's dug herself a hole with that remark”

No she hasn't..it won't make the nightly highlight show.

"I'm not trying to be funny,...but..." - (I'm now going to get funny with you)

"I don't mean to sound racist,...but.." - (I'm now going to sound racist)

"No offence,...but,...." - (I'm now going to offend you)

"I don't mean to be stereotypical,..but...." - (I'm now going to be stereotypical)

When people always start off with opening sentences such as the ones described above, it always sounds well dodgy.

It's as though they willingly know exactly what sort of targetting they intend to do, but they think that the opening sentence is enough of an excuse to cover their backs and validate their attack.

I don't mean to be stereotypical,...but....

Oh, so the word "stereotypcial" springs to mind, and she knows she's going to stereotype somebody, but she goes ahead and does so anyway.

She doesn't mean to sound stereotypical?
So she intends to stereotype somebody by accident????

If she doesn't mean to stereotype somebody, then why does she go ahead and do it anyway?

It sounds a bit to me like she is fully aware that she's stereotyping somebody, and the thought that she would is already in her mind before she opens her mouth and makes her statement.

Somehow her comments don't sound casual and spontaneous enough to fully convince me that she is entirely innocent of what she denies.

I'm always suspicious of people who open a sentence with something like "I'm not trying to be funny, but.."...or...."No offense, ...but...".
And Saskia is one of these people.

Very controlled...I don't trust her one bit.
(Where's a "sly, calculating snake" smiley when you need one?)
Alrightmate
09-06-2005
Originally Posted by Lullaby:
“I agree with all of what cupcake said but at the same time a racist would not bother to say she was not being stereotypical, she would have merely tarred all with the same brush

I see nothing wrong with her explaining her feeling based on her own experiences - just happens that in her case white men have treated her better - In many other peoples lives people have found the opposite to be true”

Many racists and racist organisations do exactly that.

I'm not saying Saskia actually is a racist, but I don't trust her and I don't think that her little "I don't mean to sound (fill in applicable term)" statements confirm that she isn't.

They sound suspiciously ambiguous.
Alrightmate
09-06-2005
Originally Posted by thms:
“she wasn't a racist but.....”

Exactly,....but what?

But she is a teensy weensy bit?
Alrightmate
09-06-2005
Originally Posted by Kewpee:
“It makes you wonder why people need to preface what they say with 'I'm not a racist but..'.

Some believe that by prefacing what you say that way automatically means you are a racist. ”

"No offence to Craig,.....but...I think Craig is a disgusting, cowardly, vile, negative, desperately selfish, hateful piece of shit who doesn't deserve me wasting my piss in his cup of tea"

Juicy Bug
09-06-2005
People tend to say "I'm not being..." these days because the Guardian reading pseudo intellectuals of this country are always on the look out to point their finger at what they perceive to be some form of racism. People feel like they need to defend their views, before they've even made them.

One might consider her actually having dated black men a better indicator of what her thoughts are. Not to mention her naming Makosi as one of her favourite people in the house.

As for calling her a "snake". Well, perhaps if the true "snakes" of that house actually told her this to her face (like she confronted Mary) she'd have a chance to defend herself, but as it is they've put the thoughts into some viewers minds (game playing perhaps?), and the first chance she'll probably get to defend herself will be in the interview with Davina, after the somewhat awe inspiring thing of leaving the house. A bit unfair methinks.

I'll go with the girl who when she has had problem with someone in that house, has actually had the bottle to challenge that person and then rip their nonsensical views to shreds (Mary), over the girls who would rather bitch about her gutlessly behind her back
MyMelody
09-06-2005
I think it was casual racism, which she's already displayed.
Racism to me means lumping people together because of skin colour, which is what she did.
Matabaruka
09-06-2005
Lets just put it down to Saskia being a bit fick, innit.
Juicy Bug
09-06-2005
Personally I have more of problem with those who have raped the English language so that words like "Racist" no longer have any objective meaning anyway.
Juicy Bug
09-06-2005
Originally Posted by Matabaruka:
“Lets just put it down to Saskia being a bit fick, innit.”

Yeah but then that blows apart the possibility that she's masterminded some game plan that is going to last 11 weeks.
austo
09-06-2005
lets make this simple

saskia= the black men shes been with havent been husband material

black men= not husband material

its quite simple,they are her views.who actually cares? Im black and I certinley dont. Look what she said on her audition tapes! what did you expect her to say?


50million people voting george bush concerns me more then saskia (who is influenced by black culture) not liking black men
MyMelody
09-06-2005
Originally Posted by austo:
“lets make this simple

saskia= the black men shes been with havent been husband material

black men= not husband material

its quite simple,they are her views.who actually cares? Im black and I certinley dont. Look what she said on her audition tapes! what did you expect her to say?


50million people voting george bush concerns me more then saskia (who is influenced by black culture) not liking black men”

Well said.
poppitypop
09-06-2005
Originally Posted by MyMelody:
“I think it was casual racism, which she's already displayed.
Racism to me means lumping people together because of skin colour, which is what she did.”

Lumping people together because of skin colour is not racism, it is stereotyping.

If I said "All black men think they are in the ghetto" that would be stereotyping.*

If I said "All black men should be beaten up as they are scum" that is racist.*

Racism is treating someone unfairly because of their skin colour, it is not simply grouping people together. There is a difference.

*not my opinions, only examples to show a point.
MyMelody
09-06-2005
Originally Posted by poppitypop:
“Lumping people together because of skin colour is not racism, it is stereotyping.

If I said "All black men think they are in the ghetto" that would be stereotyping.*

If I said "All black men should be beaten up as they are scum" that is racist.*

Racism is treating someone unfairly because of their skin colour, it is not simply grouping people together. There is a difference.

*not my opinions, only examples to show a point.”

Fair cop, but surely equality is about not comparing people based on skin colour in the first place? Just taking people as individuals?
I would personally never 'stereotype' a race in this way.
Matabaruka
09-06-2005
Originally Posted by Juicy Bug:
“Yeah but then that blows apart the possibility that she's masterminded some game plan that is going to last 11 weeks.”

Her gameplan isn't flawless, she will trip up more and more as she starts to get too comfortable.
DillholeMcGinty
09-06-2005
Originally Posted by DaisyDumplin:
“Saskia said on the live feed that she doesn't mean to be stereotypical BUT the black men she has been with have not been husband material.

What ever does she mean? ”

It means the black men she has gone out with, havent wanted to settle down and get married.

Are we seeing the race card being quietly slipped into play here...?
toffybolox
09-06-2005
Originally Posted by Red_Duck:
“Not of course that there are any white single mothers. Oh wait a minute, what about those three white single Mothers ranging from 12-16 years old. ”

Two of the fathers are black.
Matabaruka
09-06-2005
Originally Posted by DillholeMcGinty:
“It means the black men she has gone out with, havent wanted to settle down and get married.

Are we seeing the race card being quietly slipped into play here...?”

She drew the card mate ~ we're just discussing the ramifications of this idiot girl.
poppitypop
09-06-2005
Originally Posted by MyMelody:
“Fair cop, but surely equality is about not comparing people based on skin colour in the first place? Just taking people as individuals?
I would personally never 'stereotype' a race in this way.”

Indeed you are correct, just that quite often people do get accused of racism when they are merely being stereotypical.
Just trying to point out that the two are completely different and one can be stereotypical and not be racist.
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