There are so many people on this board going on and on about the way Sam is getting bullied by Lesley.

But how would they describe their own behaviour?

The vile comments on here about Lesley is disgusting.
I am not a Lesley fan, I don't think she is a very nice person, but there is no need for the venom posted about her here.

She is obviously an insecure, jealous girl but that is not reason enough to victimise her. That is just another form of bullying!!

What is she going to think when she comes on here and reads all the comments.

Is it Ok for people on here to bully her?

Two wrongs don't make a right, and I don't think there is any need for people to constantly refer to her as fat and ugly. It is uncalled for.

I posted this in another thread:

When someone here threatens to "kick the shit out of her" or "gouge her eyes out", then you could get upset but until then I’d say she’s getting off lightly for her appalling, aggressive and threatening behaviour.

Totally agree. I would rather spend time in the bb house with that lot than some of the low lifes posting in these forums.

I have been a big anti Lesley campaigner since the whole bullying thing reared its head but I do not subscribe to the awful annihalation of her character and the terrible insulting things that have been said. It makes us no better than her

I am only "against"lesley because of her bully-girl activities.I would agree that adding insults based on accent and body size are inappropriate but don't make her activities any less reprehensible.(In the same way one should be able to criticise Victor without resorting to racism)

If someone stands up to a bully and criticises them does that make them in the wrong? I think not.

I think what it stems down to is people are appalled by her behaviour in there. Maybe we, (myself included) are guilty of saying some pretty harsh stuff. But I don't have any sympathy for her. I don't quite know what she expects from the public. If she is gonna threaten to make "her life hell" then she deserves nothing more than to be told what a vile, disgusting bully she is.

I don't care if she's insecure, just because she can't control her eating and shaggng exploits, it doesn't mean that every pretty girl she comes accross has to feel as insecure as her.

I agree too, but I'm sure the bullies here will come up with some excuse for their behaviour; they always do!

Heres a few to get them started:

1. It's ok to bully a bully
2. It's not bullying if the victim isn't upset, (if/when the victim is upset, it might stop)
3. She deserves it
4. I'm not bullying, I'm stating a fact/expressing an opinion

Unbelievable!! I can understand people criticizing her, there is indedd plenty to criticize but the hypocracy to call her a bully, and act in the same way oneself is incredible!!

I guess it must be OK to bully a bully?

I just don't understand if people are so abhorred by bullying behaviour how they can repeat that exact behaviour themselves?

1 - No it isn't
2 - It is still bullying
3 - no one deserves to be bullied
4 - This is the crux of the matter. She is vile to Sam. From this, it is factual to say she is a vile person. I have no problem with people saying what a nasty person she is. She has proved it on (nearly) live tv. As for the other comments. Her being fat, ugly and all that. That is all part of ds:bb. Everyone is slagged off and nearly everyone does it. Weather that makes it right, is only for other DS posters to decide.

You just asume that she has no feelings if she can treat a far prettier and more intelligent girl that way. She stinks of jealousy. And I do not have a drop of sympathy for "it"

IMO, there have been some people who haven't liked the way she's behaved and they have written costructive posts based on her behaviour in the house. Then we have a few who have used this as an excuse to be as prejudicial as they possibly can with regards to her weight, accent, background etc, which is likely to offend other members of this forum as well as being insulting to Lesley.

yes. some people here are chavvy. it's funny sometimes. As long as they wouldn't go out and insult these people in the street.

Well done!! Thanks for bringing this up, the insults on this board are getting out of hand and i'm glad someone has brought up the blaytant contradictions of certain people.

By the way to all the people are who are posting about Lesley but want her out are a silly too, whether you like her or not is not the question the fact that she has you all riled up so much shows she's doing her job, when she leaves you'll be saying its boring - lets learn from previous BB's please??

Anyway thats my two cents worth I'm off

OK, let's get this straight. Personally, I wouldn't want to see Lesleh bullied. I would like her to suddenly wake up and realise how vile she was being, and how cowardly. As this is highly unlikely to happen, she needs to be shown disapproval in a more direct way - ie being booed and jeered as she leaves the house.

I think the level of ill feeling directed towards Lesleh reflects how appalling she has been. I have read and posted on various BB message boards in the past and never seen anything like this level of vitriol aimed at an HM. There is a very good reason for this. No one is picking on Lesleh - she has singled herself out as easily the most horrible, vain, vacuous person in the house, and we are reacting accordingly.

The fact is that Lesley doesn't have to read any of this. She knows what this board is like.

Sam can't escape and she has no emotional support within the house.

World of difference.

I tell you what’s really disturbing: Those posters who are still supporting Lesley and applaud her for "speaking her mind", "being herself" etc. I’d be more worried if forum consensus was weighted towards them, rather than the anti-Lesley reaction we’re seeing.

It didn't bother Jade who is now living a VERY comfortable life and I'm sure Lesley will still be able to wangle a few endorsements, probably a slimming contract, 'glamour' shots in some rough mag etc.

She wanted fame and thus money and she's going to get it no matter what a few people on a messageboard ducking work or housekeeping say about her.

That simply isn't true.

Some people do sometimes sound like they would bully Lesley, if they had the chance, but they are not actually doing so. We haven't taken any of Lesley's things, just for example.

I won't be saying it's boring. I'll be praising the British public and might finally start to enjoy the show.

I completely agree with you, Newkid. The double-standards on this board are truly breathtaking. The most hysterical Anti-Lesley forum members post the most vile, disgusting drivel and attack Lesley for doing exactly the same thing!

It amuses me how they try and justify what their doing as being "different" and "not the same" as what Lesley is being accused of...like this little gem by Veri: "We haven't taken any of Lesley's things.."

Well, that's OK then, bullying obviously only mean taking someones things...pathetic, really.

None of them would have the backbone to say it to her face.

Debates on a web forum are always several degrees ruder, more obnoxious and extreme than they would be in real life. To equate that to bullying is laughable.

What you have here, is one set of people seeing a girl bullied, and another set of people who see that girl as deserving it. There's a few in betweens, with some thinking sam is not too great but not liking Lesley's behaviour either.

Both camps claim black is white, both use the sort of language that riles the other camp. it always happens, whatever the reality show is.

It doesn't equate in the slightest to what has happened in the house. Every HM there ever was will have been slagged or liked by someone.

I've stopped watching, and I won't again if she (Lesley) doesn't go this week. I'm not going to watch a programme where bullying of anyone is condoned by the GBP, and is covered up by the editing.

I was always sceptical about some of the 'bias' claims I've seen here in previous years (lurking), but it's undeniable this year.

Lesley's behaviour is indefensable - I don't particularly like Sam as a character, but co-ordinated continued and sneaky maliciousness cannot be accepted.

I think there have been a lot of valid points made about why Lesley might behave this way (I think she's pretty insecure) but her self-image seems a little flawed - I'm actually surprised she hasn't gone after Makosi as well, given her dislike of any woman who could be eprceived as more attractive than her (on a good day she might be 4th, on a bad day 6th)

Ramble mode off

This is ridiculous. To say that it's fine to say "Lesley perhaps went a bit far" is OK, but that we can't say anything negative about her or her behaviour because that is double standards makes no sense whatsovever

I totally agree with you. I think watching Leskey bitch at times has been uncomfortable viewing but alot of people on here have called her far worse than what she has called Sam but yet think its okay. Im no Lesley fan really but i feel sorry for her (as I do Sam) because what she is likely to receive from the crowds is alot worse than what she dished out to Sam IMO. People are advocating booeing and egg throwing etc, but whats the difference between acting like that, and acting like she has to Sam?

Hysteria mode on.