Sounded like Draccy to me , but she did think she was going to be in a big country house surrounded by intellectuals discussing philosophy didn't she?

Have to disagree on that one. BB1 to 3 were more interesting (although I have similar views on Jade & Adele's behaviour that year), and you did get see something with more depth.

BB4 was duller.

BB5 was lunacy, with cartoons.

Question time - no debate or argument there, just the same old tired party lines from the same old faces.

BB for me has always been about the relationships and how they change in such a forced atmosphere - and I will always vote to remove those who I'm not enjoying - that's the beauty we get the show we choose to some extent.

Right now, I would choose to remove Lesley - you wouldn't.

And thats what i want and thats why i love it.

Thats the one! Classic, best BB housemate ever (along with John "How DARE you" McCrick)

Watch Celeb Love Island then coz there's loads of that going on.

I can't help but feeling that, without Lesleh and Craig, the others will let themselves go and really be entertaining. The potential is certainly there.

Maybe it's time for me and BB to go our separate ways

As I've said elsewhere, it wasn't always so.

We'll see what happens Friday....

Watch Pioneer House on a Sunday, it's fab telly, and I think it is more what you're probably looking for.

No, if I stop, I'll try getting to bed at a sensible hour

Quiet simply, if Lesley was nice, she wouldn't get all these bad comment's.

You can't praise/stick up for a wicked person.

What if Sam was your daughter - let it go would you?

You give it, you get it back!

Wicked is a very strong word, one I would associate more with Myra Hindley/Peter Sutcliffe etc for gawd's sake?

Take it how you want.

Cameron was nice. Elizabeth was nice. Just two examples of 'nice' BB housemates who got unlimited bad comments on here.

As Davina said, its panto. Its just you lot prefer to boo rather than cheer.

Truest words spoken all day.

Lesleh deserves everything she gets. Why is it always the mean and disgusting housemates who get the most attention and money...ie Jade, Nadia, and now (no doubt) Lesleh

because they are the most fun to watch, go and watch bloody pain dry if you want to, but I want to watch something entertaining.

No one is saying she is neccessarily nice but i just object to the scenes she is likely to be greeted by if as expected she is evicted, and what people on here are saying about that treatment. I am not bothered if she goes but i feel sorry for her if she gets treatment to the extent that even Adele got.

I don't find bullying entertaining.

No because then theyd moan the paint drying was badly edited in favour of the wall, the wall was in danger of falling so they had to call in the police and the toxic paint fumes were the worst thing that ever happened to this country and is was a sad day for paint drying everywhere.

Try Antiques Roadshow then - although watch some of them old ladies - they can get a bit narky.

Your arguments are far from facts. It's just intense dislike dressed up (badly) as logic.

1. You said that Lesley is "vile" to Sam but then went on say that she is a Vile person (as if that is all there is to her personality). I am sure that Lesley is not vile to people that she likes, so that means she is not a vile person but rather someone that has been involved in acts of "vileness". There is a difference.

Unless you have been a saint all your life then I am sure that there have been occasions when you have been horrible to people. Does that mean that you are a horrible person or that you are a person that has on occasion done horrible things?

I wouldn't be so pedantic about all this if you were not putting forth your arguments as if they were the gospel truth. In reality, your reasoning is clearly flawed.


2. You said she wears "slutty" clothes. That is an opinion, not a fact. Slutty clothing is relative. What is considered as perfectly acceptable to typical young woman in this country may be considered as slutty by a middle aged Christian woman. What is considred acceptable to a middle aged Christian woman could be seen as slutty by a devout Muslim. Sluttiness has no universal definition.


3. You then managed to get from slutty 'clothing' to assuming that she actually is a slut. That is the kind of thinking that says women who are raped asked for it because of what they were wearing. Clothing is not someone's sexual behavior. It's clothing, no more, no less. You made a huge assumption, you did not state a "fact".


4. Fat is also relative term. I bet that there are quite a few Catwalk Models who would think that you are fat. That doesn't make it a universal truth, it's their opinion and it's dependent on what they are comparing you to.


So the only "fact" in your post is that Lesley is Northern. The rest is either opinion or speculation.

I was referring to the above post which was talking about Nadia, jade AND Lesleh. My argument is, is that Big Brother is not, and never has been, about people being nice to each other. It is about manipulation and horridness. I'm not saying that what Lesleh did was very nice, I'm AM saying - stop taking it so bloody seriously!

Bullying - No.
Libel - Maybe.

I dont either, which is why i will find Friday's eviction scenes with Lesley if she goes cringe worthy and I probably wont be watching because of that.

Don't forget they would also have to ring up offcom and complain about the diabolical treatment of the paint on national telly.

1 - with regard to Lesley being Vile, we are discussing Lesley and her dealings with Sam. If she is Vile to Sam, it is valid to call Lesley Vile.
2 -Slutty Clothes. I would think that most people regard those clothes as slutty. Thats what they are designed for. You wouldn't call them "virginal" clothes would you. Just because clothes are slutty doesn't mean I think them to be wrong.
3 - She is a slut. Well looking at the difinitions of Slut, I stand by calling her one. "A woman considered sexually promiscuous." She has already said herself how many people she has slept with.
4 - Fat. Hmm. Difficult one. Not. Fat as in carrying excess fat as in unhealthily fat as in overweight for her size as in FAT. I think medically she would be called fat, overweight, obese even maybe.

PS - Yes I do dislike her intensly. Not because of her being Fat, Northern or a slut. But because she is Vile.